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Message: [QUOTE="Engineer90, post: 3077119, member: 9712"] I understand your point 100%. I lean that way myself. However, I also know that, if this were only about grades, class rank and SAT scores, it would make it even easier for people like Loughlin to cheat the system. Then they would only need to do one illegal thing which is to cheat on the SAT. Right now, a high SAT and class rank is not enough to get you into these schools. Trust me, I know as we are less than 1 year removed from this crappy process. And it isn't hard to cheat on the SAT. My son knows some international students at his Ivy school and he said that he has been told that cheating is rampant in China. Those kids are flooding the application process and the numbers are climbing exponentially over time. That is what is driving down the acceptance rates at these schools. It isn't just the common app. That is a minor factor. The massive increase in applications is primarily due to the increase in international student applications. Supposedly that is leveling off finally. We shall see. Regardless, there are massive numbers of kids that have cheated on their SAT applying to these schools every year. And not only does that make these merit factors questionable but it also overloads the admissions committees. That overload plus their insatiable desire to virtue signal through social justice admissions policies have driven them to minimize the impact of both the merit factors and the personal factors. Yes, they are both considered but, really, it is all about having something noteworthy in your application. Basically, can they brag about you in their "incoming class profile"? Can they include you in their numbers for underrepresented minority students or first generation students or poor students? If not, are you a recruited athlete? If not, are you nationally ranked or recognized in some way in something? If none of these, you had better know a big donor or hire a consultant to craft the perfect application with what you do have and it better include extremely high merit numbers because that is the pool you are left in. [/QUOTE]

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