Speak for yourself.What was really awesome was watching the game in a Vegas sports book. It got so loud with the back and forth of the end game it was such a blast. Plus, as New Englanders, we all love the Pats when they play the Steelers.
As I understand the rule, a receiver must control the ball all the way to the ground. The fact that he had control and crossed the plane means nothing. When he extended, the ball clearly came loose. I think the refs got it right.Pats fan here and we'll take the W. But, as a football fan, that call was insane. He clearly had control and even took the ball away from his body and extended it through the goal line plane. When his elbow his the ground it jarred the ball ever so slightly lose, but the plane was broken with control. This exercise in whether there is a catch or not by using slow motion is ridiculous. Everyone knows when a ball is caught, and its obvious. In fact most of the incomplete pass break-ups are catches with the ball being jarred lose. Total garbage.
The play is dead once the TD plane is broken if the player with possession of the ball breaks the plane. NFL Rule 11, Section 2. That's the rule.As I understand the rule, a receiver must control the ball all the way to the ground. The fact that he had control and crossed the plane means nothing. When he extended, the ball clearly came loose. I think the refs got it right.
Unless he's in the process of making the catch (which they ruled he was). If he had made the catch and taken a few steps, then you'd be right. Or if he was simply rushing the ball, yes. But the rule is different when making a reception.The play is dead once the TD plane is broken if the player with possession of the ball breaks the plane. NFL Rule 11, Section 2. That's the rule.
That's not what he rule book says. They are independent rules. The TD rule says if the player has possession when crossing from the active field of play. It doesn't require completion to the ground unlike the pass completion rule. If the TD rule invokes prior and the play is automatically dead on crossing, there is no pass completion requirement.Unless he's in the process of making the catch (which they ruled he was). If he had made the catch and taken a few steps, then you'd be right. Or if he was simply rushing the ball, yes. But the rule is different when making a reception.
NOBODY likes the rule, but that's what it is.
The refs ruled the player did not have possession.That's not what he rule book says. They are independent rules. The TD rule says if the player has possession when crossing from the active field of play. It doesn't require completion to the ground unlike the pass completion rule. If the TD rule invokes prior and the play is automatically dead on crossing, there is no pass completion requirement.
I totally agree on all points - and I'm a Pats fan too. Season ticket holder. However, that play was a TD. The end result is the same. Brady would have used the remaining time on the clock for another game winning drive.That's not what he rule book says. They are independent rules. The TD rule says if the player has possession when crossing from the active field of play. It doesn't require completion to the ground unlike the pass completion rule. If the TD rule invokes prior and the play is automatically dead on crossing, there is no pass completion requirement.
Football is becoming completely unwatchable because of this stuff. Here’s what needs to happen starting next year:
- Get rid of automatic reviews on TD’s and TO’s.
- Give coaches 2 challenges per game. That’s the only way you can have something reviewed.
- A catch/not a catch is not reviewable. If you have to watch a frame by frame review to see if the ball moved a millimeter? Not what replay was intended for. The refs use common sense. Most (not all) of the time they get it right.
- Fumbles through the end zone no longer are touchbacks for the defense. Instead, the down counts and the offensive team is given the ball at the 20 yard line. There has to be some punishment for players being careless with the ball down there. If you fumble reaching for the pile on it’s a loss of down and a 19 yard penalty.
I’d rather see a few plays get missed with the naked eye than see another travesty like what we saw yesterday. It’s ruining the game.
Unless he's in the process of making the catch (which they ruled he was). If he had made the catch and taken a few steps, then you'd be right. Or if he was simply rushing the ball, yes. But the rule is different when making a reception.
NOBODY likes the rule, but that's what it is.
Simplifying the wording of the rule would probably solve the issues most folks have. Regarding this type of play. Most fans understand two points of contact with the ground inbounds and a demonstration of control of the ball (which James clearly had). That should be the rule. Done.Football is becoming completely unwatchable because of this stuff. Here’s what needs to happen starting next year:
- Get rid of automatic reviews on TD’s and TO’s.
- Give coaches 2 challenges per game. That’s the only way you can have something reviewed.
- A catch/not a catch is not reviewable. If you have to watch a frame by frame review to see if the ball moved a millimeter? Not what replay was intended for. The refs use common sense. Most (not all) of the time they get it right.
- Fumbles through the end zone no longer are touchbacks for the defense. Instead, the down counts and the offensive team is given the ball at the 20 yard line. There has to be some punishment for players being careless with the ball down there. If you fumble reaching for the pile on it’s a loss of down and a 19 yard penalty.
I’d rather see a few plays get missed with the naked eye than see another travesty like what we saw yesterday. It’s ruining the game.
That's not what he rule book says. They are independent rules. The TD rule says if the player has possession when crossing from the active field of play. It doesn't require completion to the ground unlike the pass completion rule. If the TD rule invokes prior and the play is automatically dead on crossing, there is no pass completion requirement.