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Pay more and get less? Where do I sign up?
 

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I don't know, we pay 224.00, for cable internet and phone in a bundle. Between my wife and I we probably watch about 20 or so channels. Another six for the kids. If I wasn't into sports so much, I'd seriously consider doing away with cable and using Netflix, and Amazon Prime, which I have both and maybe add in HULU.
 

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I don't know, we pay 224.00, for cable internet and phone in a bundle. Between my wife and I we probably watch about 20 or so channels. Another six for the kids. If I wasn't into sports so much, I'd seriously consider doing away with cable and using Netflix, and Amazon Prime, which I have both and maybe add in HULU.

Non sports fans may do better a la carte. Sports fans will get buried.

When everything gets streamed the cost of internet will just go higher anyway.
 
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Agree with whaler. The only one to benefit from this are the channels. Espn is only against it because they are already the highest fee channel for cable companies so they are already getting theirs.
 

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Sports Could Save the TV Business—or Destroy It


Cable TV isn't a "sports tax." Or an AMC tax. Or a History Channel tax. It's an entertainment flat tax.
The subscription fees in your bundle are, in a way, like a national entertainment treasury divided between a handful of media companies. One hundred million subscribing households pay a collective $7 billion a month into the entertainment super-coffers, with each family consuming varying amounts of different programming, all of it made affordable by scale. The TV business is so rich in part because its popularity allows it to achieve the scale of something like public financing.

I don't know if this is an entirely good thing, or an entirely unchangeable thing. But it is the thing that's created the current golden age of TV.

Sports is the final bastion of must-see-live-TV. It's both saving the bundle and threatening to make the entire enterprise unaffordable and unworkable. If the latter happens, we'll all know, because pay-TV households will do something to their entertainment tax bill that they simply can't do to their federal tax bill. They'll tear it up and move on.
 

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Well, the other option is pay more for more crap I'm not going to watch (while admitting that if FS1 + NBC sports are on the basic lineup I'd watch those). For now I'm on a break with Comcast, watching more netflix and going to the bar to watch UConn games.
 
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I am all for a la carte. I'd gladly pay for the sports that I want to watch. But, I don't need SEC channel, PAC12 channel, BTN, Longhorn Network, BYU Network,... unless they include UConn sports. I would gladly buy NESN, Comcast SportsNet, SNY, NFL Channel, Golf Channel. I would probably buy ESPN, but if UConn wasn't on ESPN2, ESPNU, ESPNC, or ESPNN, I probably wouldn't buy those channels. But, an a la carte choice wouldn't change the opportunity to buy bundles, which would still be offered and I would end up with the whole ESPN bundle. In my opinion, most people would still buy bundles of channels.

Also, I think a la carte would highlight the real value of individual sports teams, which is a major positive for UConn athletics and not so much for many schools.
 

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Well, the other option is pay more for more crap I'm not going to watch (while admitting that if FS1 + NBC sports are on the basic lineup I'd watch those). For now I'm on a break with Comcast, watching more netflix and going to the bar to watch UConn games.

Hey whatever people want to do but read the atlantic article. You'll have a lot less to watch on Netflix if a la carte arrives. The bar seems infinitely more expensive than cable though....
 
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I don't know, we pay 224.00, for cable internet and phone in a bundle. Between my wife and I we probably watch about 20 or so channels. Another six for the kids. If I wasn't into sports so much, I'd seriously consider doing away with cable and using Netflix, and Amazon Prime, which I have both and maybe add in HULU.

Indeed. So you pay 11 dollars a month per channel. Guess what ? That's about how much those shows would cost on a per show basis.

You do realize there is nobody in TV that is making oodles of cash, right? That their profit margins are razor thin ? If you think you're going to go to an a la carte system and somehow pay $50 a month for the programming you actually watch, you're fooling yourself. Because EVERYONE thinks that. And when all cable revenues drop to 25% of what they were, guess what else ? So does the available programming, and I guarantee something you think is awesome will get the axe.
 

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A la carte is in. Much like free music there are plenty of people who can make do rotating between Netflix and Hulu.

I dropped DirectTV 3 months ago (I'm moving) and After a week of withdrawal I'm fine. Mooch off free internet all day, ripped my CDs and DVDs. I've got free Pandora with my pay as you go Windows WiFi phone. I'll coordinate my fast days around sports bar days for UConn and the Patriots.

I'm getting more exercise and my sleep patterns returned to normal. I think cutting the cord will cure cancer.
 
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Consumers and most content owners want a-la-cart programming. ESPN doesn't want it because it they are locked into multiyear, multibillion dollar contracts and doing so would provide a challenging level of unpredictability. Imagine if households that don't care about sports (there are tons) passed on ESPN; or their pricing mix was off; or there is a downturn in the economy and people decide to trim their programming, and so on. It also opens opportunities for sports events/content to go consumer direct. Cable providers don't want it because it transfers power and revenue to content owners and other new business models such as Apple, Hulu, Vudu, Google On Demand, etc. Think about the indy labels and artist-direct models that popped up with music. Sure much of the distribution model remained, but margins and volume changed hands. In the future, all you will really need is a broadband connection. The real challenge will be "who owns the copper/fiber" to the house. You can see why these companies where against the wide area WIFI initiative. In the end most americans would pay less and indeed have fewer choices, but for most, that is OK. My Mother, along with my in-laws, can argue they pay a $10 ESPN tax to get her select content. I do agree sports fans would pay a higher price than most viewers in an a la carte world, but ESPN/Cable providers would simply offer bundles for select channels to offset a portion of the increase. Lastly, if Honey Boo Boo (or whatever it is called) gets the ax you'll still be able to download/view it through other methodology and accessing content will become more and more seamless in the coming years.
 
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The number of people who watch ESPN and the like are staggeringly low. Like 20% of subscribers use those channels. A la carte models would make ESPN unaffordable as they would hike up their rates to offset the list revenue. Let's say ESPN gets 5 bucks a sub. A la carte they could potentially see $25 per sub. Or 1/4 of your current cable bill (not including phone and data).

You won't see a deviation of the current model. It's the only way it is affordable.

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If you think you'd get the volume and quality of content a-la-carte that you get today...

If you think you'll be able to stream programming paying what you pay for the internet today...

Be careful what you wish for.
 
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The number of people who watch ESPN and the like are staggeringly low. Like 20% of subscribers use those channels. A la carte models would make ESPN as they would hike up their rates to offset the list revenue. Let's say ESPN gets 5 bucks a sub. A la carte they could potentially see $25 per sub. Or 1/4 of your current cable bill (not including phone and data).

You won't see a deviation of the current model. It's the only way it is affordable.

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I am doing it off of memory, but I think ESPN collects about $5.60 for the basic and collectively up to $7.00 and change for highest package. Of course, that is marked up by the cable/DSL/satellite provider. My estimate is that they would charge $25 for a bundle as well. But for me, that would likely lower my overall bill, because we watch only a handful of channels and I have my smart TVs, iPads, Computers, Kindles, Phones set up to bring in free or discounted content. Just look at music—Apple and others, the artists, and even producers are still making money off the music biz and consumers have MORE choices. Same thing was said about books. With "TV" there are bigger dollars at stake, bigger budgets fighting change, infrastructure is more of an issue, so it will take longer than it did for music to adapt, but it will eventually change.
 
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December 15, 2011
Paying a ‘Sports Tax,’ Even if You Don’t Watch
By BRIAN STELTER and AMY CHOZICK
Are you ready for some football?
You are paying for it regardless.
Although “sports” never shows up as a line item on a cable or satellite bill, American television subscribers pay, on average, about $100 a year for sports programming — no matter how many games they watch. A sizable portion goes to the National Football League, which dominates sports on television and which struck an extraordinary deal this week with the major networks — $27 billion over nine years — that most likely means the average cable bill will rise again soon.
Those spiraling costs are fraying the formerly tight bonds between the creators and distributors of television. Cable channels like ESPN that carry games are charging cable and satellite operators more money, and broadcast networks are now doing the same, demanding cash for their broadcast signals and using sports as leverage.
And higher fees are raising concerns across the industry that cable bills may be reaching the breaking point for some consumers who are short of money.
The N.F.L. contracts announced this week “will surely enrich N.F.L. owners and players just as much as it will impoverish all pay TV subscribers, particularly those who will never watch an N.F.L. game,” said Matthew M. Polka, the president of the American Cable Association, which represents small cable operators. His group wants government officials to step in and make it harder for channel owners to demand higher fees for carriage and drop the channels when operators disagree.
Publicly expressing the private sentiments of others, Greg Maffei, the chief executive of Liberty Media, recently called the monthly cost of the media empire ESPN a “tax on every American household.”
Patrick Flynn personifies the consumer challenge. He and his wife, who pay Comcast $170 a month for television, Internet and a home phone in Beaverton, Ore., are keenly aware that part of their bill benefits the sports leagues that charge networks ever-increasing amounts for the TV rights to games. Save for one regional sports channel, he said, none of them are worth it.
“For the two or three games a year that our Washington Huskies are on ESPN, we can arrange for someone else to host the party,” he said.
But there are also millions of viewers like Russell Tibbits, of Dallas, who says, “If you eliminate sports channels from cable packages, I literally would not own a TV.”
Television and league executives argue that the vast majority of viewers not only want sports, but are, like Mr. Tibbits, willing to pay to watch a favorite team. On Sunday night, about 25 million people watched the New York Giants play the Dallas Cowboys on NBC — by far the highest-rated show on television for the night, more than tripling NBC’s average audience. ESPN, which broadcasts “Monday Night Football” and floods its week with football programming, is typically found by surveys to be the most valuable cable channel among subscribers.
But ESPN is also far costlier than any other channel, earning about $4.69 a month for each cable and satellite household in the United States, according to the research firm SNL Kagan. Next year the firm expects ESPN to cross the $5 a month threshold for the first time (the next highest is TNT, at $1.16 this year). On Thursday, ESPN announced its latest rights deal, one that extends through 2024 with the N.C.A.A.
“Sports is hugely popular in America,” said Edwin M. Durso, an executive vice president for ESPN, “and I think the prices that we and others pay for programming clearly reflect that.” Mr. Durso noted, accurately, that ESPN does not set retail prices for its content. But together with siblings like ESPN2 and ESPN Classic, the ESPN networks take in about $6.50 per subscriber each month, according to SNL Kagan. Other sports channels like Fox Sports Net, N.F.L. Network and Versus, soon to be renamed the NBC Sports Network, account for at least an additional $1.50 or so.
In the last few years broadcasters like CBS and NBC have started to posture for monthly fees from cable and satellite providers, and indirectly, those fees pay for sports programming, too.
Eventually, subscribers feel the pinch; “if you look at the whole media food chain, the last guy on it is the consumer,” said David Bank, an equity research analyst at RBC Capital Markets.
To date the cable industry’s slight concessions toward the rising costs of sports have not amounted to much. Time Warner Cable offers a cheaper, smaller bundle of channels that lacks ESPN, but few have signed up. Both Time Warner and Cablevision have refused to carry the N.F.L.’s own network, citing the high cost — 81 cents a month, according to SNL Kagan — but they have been harshly criticized by sports fans for it.
Soon, though, there may be an Internet alternative — something that was heresy until recently. Distributors like Dish Network are talking to channel owners about creating virtual cable providers that would stream channels over the Internet instead of traditional cables. That would break up the bundle of channels that subscribers have grudgingly accepted for years and allow subscribers who don’t like sports to avoid paying for them.
“They’re aggressively looking for ways to offer a lower-cost package of channels without sports,” said the chief executive of one such channel owner, who insisted on anonymity because the talks were confidential. “There may be a market in America, whether it’s 10 or 20 million people, that would be very happy to have 50 or 60 channels but not ESPN.”
By streaming the channels online, old distributors like Dish or new ones like Google could do an end run around the contractual commitments and market dynamics that effectively force them to carry sports channels now. ESPN declined to comment directly on the possibility, but Mr. Durso said Thursday, “We’re happy to sell service to as many distributors as we can.”
Even if such online providers materialize, the leagues and the entrenched TV networks are now locked into lucrative contracts for the long term. Wednesday’s N.F.L. agreement doesn’t expire until the end of the 2022 season, which Brian Rolapp, N.F.L. Media’s chief operating officer, said was a “recognition that the world will change and we don’t know what it will look like.” But the networks are betting that, no matter what television becomes, it will include a lot of football.

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I think most of you are kidding yourselves saying that you only watch 10-15 channels. I quickly scanned through my channel guide, and I added up over 40 channels that get watched at my house with some regularity and I don't have any premium channels. ESPN is against a la carte because under the current system they can use ESPN, Disney and ABC as leverage to force cable companies to carry another 12 channels that most people wouldn't otherwise carry. That being said I can't imagine that a la carte pricing would be cheaper than the $60-80/month cost of expanded cable for most people.
 

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If you like sports you watch
ESPN
ESPN2
NBC
CBS
FOX
ABC
TNT
TBS
YES
SNY
NESN
NBCS
CSN-NE
ESPNU

Without even watching
PAC, BTN, MLB, NFL, Golf, NHL, Fox Soccer, CBSS, BeIN

and another half dozen I'm forgetting off the top of my head.
 
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If you think you'd get the volume and quality of content a-la-carte that you get today...

If you think you'll be able to stream programming paying what you pay for the internet today...

Be careful what you wish for.

20%-30% will pay more, with old-school sport fans shouldering the brunt of it. Most people will pay less and it'll be a wash for many people. Younger people and tech savvy people will do fine. Hispanics, Asians, and others that would typically have to upgrade just to get their programming (including sports) will benefit. There will be technology and startups that fill the gap. Mobile is driving much of this and carriers are being forced to adapt. Cable and DSL companies will try to pass along some of the cost for the infrastructure, but that will be passed on either way.
 
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Took me a couple of days to remember where I read it...

Cable providers consider cutting out sports to lower your TV bill: http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/15/4524502/sports-networks-a-la-carte-high-costs-att-csn-houston

>>Sports programming is driving up your television bill, and cable providers aren't happy about it. Though football, basketball, and baseball may seem to be some of the most watched content around, that's far from the truth: TV tracking firm Nielsen found that only four percent of households tune in to watch sports outside of the NFL, reports The Wall Street Journal. But despite the low viewership, cable providers are paying disproportionately huge sums in order to carry networks like ESPN — and they're passing those costs along to consumers.<<

In any respect, lotsa conversations and opinions being floated.
 
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20%-30% will pay more, with old-school sport fans shouldering the brunt of it. Most people will pay less and it'll be a wash for many people. Younger people and tech savvy people will do fine. Hispanics, Asians, and others that would typically have to upgrade just to get their programming (including sports) will benefit. There will be technology and startups that fill the gap. Mobile is driving much of this and carriers are being forced to adapt. Cable and DSL companies will try to pass along some of the cost for the infrastructure, but that will be passed on either way.

What infrastructure cost?

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What infrastructure cost?

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To accommodate the increasing size of high definition video content/streaming carriers typically need to update the cable to each home from bandwidth-limited copper, to fiber optic cable. Other upgrades to the network are also required to maintain speed, signal integrity, switching, synching, mobile/cell, etc.
 
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