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Message: [QUOTE="Dogdeacon, post: 2797471, member: 1026"] How can your reply to me saying it is semantics be "It's not cheating though" ? That is what I said. 'Strategic fouls' in soccer, football or basketball is definitely 'gaming the rules'; I'd define a strategic foul as 'a purposeful rule violation to force or accept the lesser of two bad outcomes' if that's not gaming the rules we are back to arguing over semantics which thus far eludes your grasp. I can't make a point if you are gaming the rules of grammar solely to further your objectives. The difference in basketball vs soccer or football is it occurs far more regularly & frequently (multiple plays within a game, a high % of games) and negatively impacts both the time and flow at arguably the most important point of many games. Soccer and football don't have a time loss etc... [/QUOTE]