Ejections - OT ??

[TB12]

I figured someone else would post this. I am posting this here in case someone on our team reads this. I would like them to know.

I watched a few minutes of the Notre Dame v Cal game this weekend. (The first womens game ever on NBC). 3 Cal players were ejected. There was a tie-up under the basket and a player from each team were pulling on each other, and started to look like it would get bad (Both players got technicals) . Two Cal starters were on the bench and one left the bench and walked on the court a few steps. The other starter jumped up to pull her teammate back. The ref ejected BOTH of them and a 3rd player who stepped onto the court. None of them got involved with the players on the court as they only a few feet from the bench. The players were SHOCKED that they were ejected. So was I.
You can probably see the game on YouTube.

 

[LwrcasefaN]

I figured someone else would post this. I am posting this here in case someone on our team reads this. I would like them to know.

I watched a few minutes of the Notre Dame v Cal game this weekend. (The first womens game ever on NBC). 3 Cal players were ejected. There was a tie-up under the basket and a player from each team were pulling on each other, and started to look like it would get bad. Two Cal starters were on the bench and one left the bench and walked on the court a few steps. The other started jumped up to pull her teammate back. The ref ejected BOTH of them and a 3rd player who stepped onto the court. None of them got involved with the players on the court as they only a few feet on the court. The players were SHOCKED that they were ejected. So was I.
You can probably see the game on YouTube.

This was the ND vs Northwestern game.

 

[TB12]

I am pretty sure it was Cal the Shamrock Classic in St Louis

"Paced by a blistering first half when No. 9 Notre Dame shot 61 percent and built a nine-point lead over Cal, the Irish kept the Bears at arm’s length in the second half and won 90-79 at the Citi Shamrock Classic in St. Louis."

 

[Audi1954]

I figured someone else would post this. I am posting this here in case someone on our team reads this. I would like them to know.

I watched a few minutes of the Notre Dame v Cal game this weekend. (The first womens game ever on NBC). 3 Cal players were ejected. There was a tie-up under the basket and a player from each team were pulling on each other, and started to look like it would get bad (Both players got technicals) . Two Cal starters were on the bench and one left the bench and walked on the court a few steps. The other starter jumped up to pull her teammate back. The ref ejected BOTH of them and a 3rd player who stepped onto the court. None of them got involved with the players on the court as they only a few feet from the bench. The players were SHOCKED that they were ejected. So was I.
You can probably see the game on YouTube.

I saw the game and I was shocked by so many ejections. One girl stepped onto the court and the other put one, maybe two feet on the court and grabbed the other girl’s jersey. She was really just trying to help. I never saw a third person Step on the court. Seemed harsh for the girl that was just trying to help. Miles, the Notre Dame point guard picked up a technical during the incident, and later in the game she got ejected for taunting another player that was guarding her aggressively. Never saw that many ejections in a game before. Surprised Mabry didn’t pick up one.

 

[CocoHusky]

The rules are quite simple, the players should have know better and the refs were just enforcing the rule. The rule is if you are not on the court when an altercation starts do not go on the court. You cannot expect the referees or the opposing team to determine the intent of a player leaving the bench especially in an already heated situation. The refs also have the benefit of replay and again it doesn't matter how far on the court you were or what your intention was-just don't go on the court.

 

[Plebe]

Not sure what I'm missing here.

It's well known that a player who leaves the bench during a fight gets an automatic ejection, regardless of whether the player participates in the fight. Entering the court counts as leaving the bench, even if it's just one step in. This has been the interpretation for as long as I can remember.

The rulebook is unambiguous that this a "disqualifying foul" resulting in ejection. See page 99:
https://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/WBR23.pdf

The casebook reiterates this rule multiple times in its relevant section. E.g.:

A.R. 365. A6 and B6 leave the bench because a fight has broken out. A6 and B6 do not participate in the fight.

RULING: A6 and B6 shall be ejected. ...​

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[TB12]

Good video, thanks. I hope our women see this

 

[TB12]

I don't think you are missing anything, except it was not a fight

 

[Plebe]

I don't think you are missing anything, except it was not a fight

Didn't see the game, but the rule applies to situations judged as potential fights. Wording is "Leave the bench area when a fight may break out or has broken out". Certainly some subjectivity is involved in interpreting that.

 

[UConnCat]

Not sure what I'm missing here.

It's well known that a player who leaves the bench during a fight gets an automatic ejection, regardless of whether the player participates in the fight. Entering the court counts as leaving the bench, even if it's just one step in. This has been the interpretation for as long as I can remember.

The rulebook is unambiguous that this a "disqualifying foul" resulting in ejection. See page 99:
https://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/WBR23.pdf

The casebook reiterates this rule multiple times in its relevant section. E.g.:

A.R. 365. A6 and B6 leave the bench because a fight has broken out. A6 and B6 do not participate in the fight.

RULING: A6 and B6 shall be ejected. ...​

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One problem I see is the extent to which the officials relied on TV replay to determine which players left the bench. In this case, the scuffle occurred in front of the Northwestern bench so of course the camera caught the actions of the Northwestern players. Who knows whether any Notre Dame players also left the bench but were not seen by the officials and were not caught on camera (before being called back by coaches).

Wrong forum for this, btw

 

[CocoHusky]

Good video, thanks. I hope our women see this

UCONN WBB players know and would have done better.

I don't think you are missing anything, except it was not a fight

I still think you are missing the point ( lesson ) here. It doesn't matter if it was a fight, two steps one step...- the rule says don't leave the bench (under any circumstances) - even if it is to pull back your own teammate that clearly forgot the rule.

 

[CocoHusky]

One problem I see is the extent to which the officials relied on TV replay to determine which players left the bench. In this case, the scuffle occurred in front of the Northwestern bench so of course the camera caught the actions of the Northwestern players. Who knows whether any Notre Dame players also left the bench but were not seen by the officials and were not caught on camera (before being called back by coaches).

Good point. Olivia Miles should also have been assessed a technical foul and she is fortunate to have all her teeth still in place. If I'm tangled up with your teammate and you come sprinting towards me from half court and actually put your hands on me-I might easily misinterpret intentions.

 

[TB12]

Wrong forum for this, btw

I know, but I seldom look at the general one, so I tried it here. I really wanted the team to be aware, as the Cal team was shocked about it.

 

[UConnCat]

I know, but I seldom look at the general one, so I tried it here. I really wanted the team to be aware, as the Cal team was shocked about it.

Northwestern, not Cal.

 

[Plebe]

One problem I see is the extent to which the officials relied on TV replay to determine which players left the bench. In this case, the scuffle occurred in front of the Northwestern bench so of course the camera caught the actions of the Northwestern players. Who knows whether any Notre Dame players also left the bench but were not seen by the officials and were not caught on camera (before being called back by coaches).

My understanding is that the officials have access to numerous camera angles for review procedures, not just the one shown on the TV broadcast. I'd be surprised if either bench was out of view to them. But it's Notre Dame, so who knows.

I know, but I seldom look at the general one, so I tried it here. I really wanted the team to be aware, as the Cal team was shocked about it.

If the coaching staff hasn't hammered it in to every single player's head that you NEVER leave the bench for anything remotely resembling an actual or potential scuffle, then they are negligent. Geno and CD run a very tight ship on stuff like that. It'd shock me if they don't have this covered.

 

[cancontent]

Good point. Olivia Miles should also have been assessed a technical foul and she is fortunate to have all her teeth still in place. If I'm tangled up with your teammate and you come sprinting towards me from half court and actually put your hands on me-I might easily misinterpret intentions.

Miles ended up being ejected later in the game. She received a technical when the tie up first happened. She was assessed a second technical later in the third I believe.

 

[cancontent]

Good video, thanks. I hope our women see this

They don't need a board post to be reminded of this. I'm sure they've heard about it through the grapevine that goes on between players and teams.

 

[Plebe]

They don't need a board post to be reminded of this. I'm sure they've heard about it through the grapevine that goes on between players and teams.

Wait, they don't? I'm pretty sure Geno once said that they got all of their most critical coaching points from the Boneyard.

 

[Stymie]

Viewed it earlier today.
IMHO- both tangled players should have been given technicals.
Leaving the bench?
Not sure there is any discretion.
One step, half step, two step, step aside, step to the bar…violation.

 

[Talon]

My understanding is that the officials have access to numerous camera angles for review procedures, not just the one shown on the TV broadcast. I'd be surprised if either bench was out of view to them. But it's Notre Dame, so who knows.


If the coaching staff hasn't hammered it in to every single player's head that you NEVER leave the bench for anything remotely resembling an actual or potential scuffle, then they are negligent. Geno and CD run a very tight ship on stuff like that. It'd shock me if they don't have this covered.

Ejections from the only bench in view of TV is not rare. It happened a few years ago in a Missouri - South Carolina game where Missouri bench players were ejected for stepping onto the court. SC bench was not on TV and the announcers went on and on about the possibility that the SC bench had done so too, but would not be penalized becasue they were not on TV.