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Yes it would be nice if they could just make enough in the WNBA.

Could be that she gives up the WNBA eventually so that she can play less and make more money. China may be an option for her since they pay so well in that league.
 
First, let's talk about making "more" rather than "enough." Plenty of us live all year on what WNBAers make in 3.5 months. (and we don't get per d's, housing allowances etc.)

So, making "more" would require extending the season.....which means a lot of things would have to happen to the popularity of the game, in particular, people being willing to pay higher ticket prices.... Remember what happened with UConn fans and ticket prices?

Anyone know what non-Americans make playing bball?
 
First, let's talk about making "more" rather than "enough." Plenty of us live all year on what WNBAers make in 3.5 months. (and we don't get per d's, housing allowances etc.)

So, making "more" would require extending the season.....which means a lot of things would have to happen to the popularity of the game, in particular, people being willing to pay higher ticket prices.... Remember what happened with UConn fans and ticket prices?

Anyone know what non-Americans make playing bball?
Well ... the average salary in the WNBA is $72,000 which is certainly a living wage, but the league minimum is $35,000 which is not a lot of money. Add in that these folks unlike most people have agents who take 10% and if they want to continue playing in the WNBA and are not going to play overseas need to both maintain their fitness and hone their skills during the 8.5 months they are not with their team - which means access to both basketball courts and trainers who also need to be paid. On top of that, they realize they are honing their craft for a job that has an expiration date.
EDD is obviously not making the minimum and no doubt gets some serious endorsement deals as well, but she more than others with her medical history can probably hear the clock ticking a little louder than others.
I don't feel sorry for these players - they are working at something they love. But I do not exactly envy their lifestyle. In comparison to men's professional athletes they are very poorly compensated, in comparison to women's tennis players or golfers, they are very poorly compensated, and yet they are in training the same 12 months a year whether they play just the WNBA season or also overseas.
 
I don't get the feeling that her family is hurting for money.
And I agree about the endorsements.
 
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An unfortunate consequence for people who contract Lyme's Disease and suffer it for a long period undiagnosed is that you are never truly rid of it. It lies in wait in you, waiting to strike when other things weaken your immune system. The back will get better. Maybe something will come along to give chronic Lyme's sufferers relief. She is a great talent with a big heart and I wish her good health and a long, fruitful career.
 
EDD didn't play overseas last year either. I gather between her WNBA salary & endorsement money she doesn't have to and given her health situation it is better for her that she doesn't.

Skylar Diggins also makes enough money from endorsements that she doesn't play overseas either.
 
Could be that she gives up the WNBA eventually so that she can play less and make more money. China may be an option for her since they pay so well in that league.

I strongly doubt that happens. You can barely get her out of Delaware for a WNBA season. What happens if she has a lyme flare-up in China? Makes traveling back to Delaware to see her doctors much harder.

I think some people's bodies just aren't built for the year-long grind and hers is one. She has said the back has always been a problem area.
 
Per Crain's Chicago Business:

"Ms. Delle Donne has sponsor agreements with Nike, DuPont and nutritional supplement company Genesis Today worth a total of about $250,000 a year, according to a source familiar with the deals."
 
I strongly doubt that happens. You can barely get her out of Delaware for a WNBA season. What happens if she has a lyme flare-up in China? Makes traveling back to Delaware to see her doctors much harder.

I think some people's bodies just aren't built for the year-long grind and hers is one. She has said the back has always been a problem area.

Would this eliminate her from playing for the US when it requires extensive travel time, such as this current trip? How is she going to withstand the rigors of a full WNBA season and then spend a month traveling without running the same risk? Is she going to be limited to WNBA games for the rest of her career?
 
EDD didn't play overseas last year either. I gather between her WNBA salary & endorsement money she doesn't have to and given her health situation it is better for her that she doesn't.

Skylar Diggins also makes enough money from endorsements that she doesn't play overseas either.

Ahhhhh....to be young and beautiful. Sponsors pay good money for that. Can anyone say Anna Kournikova?
 
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Would this eliminate her from playing for the US when it requires extensive travel time, such as this current trip? How is she going to withstand the rigors of a full WNBA season and then spend a month traveling without running the same risk? Is she going to be limited to WNBA games for the rest of her career?

I would think it would be a risk to play for USA basketball after a full WNBA season. But she's said that it's a lifelong dream, so it's one I'm sure she's willing to take.
 
Would this eliminate her from playing for the US when it requires extensive travel time, such as this current trip? How is she going to withstand the rigors of a full WNBA season and then spend a month traveling without running the same risk? Is she going to be limited to WNBA games for the rest of her career?
Probably not - USA basketball is usually 3-5 weeks abroad vs. an international season that is 5-7 months. And I am pretty sure that lime disease flare ups are pretty standard that are treated the same way each time, so I doubt have a specific doctor on location would be necessary.
 
Ahhhhh....to be young and beautiful. Sponsors pay good money for that. Can anyone say Anna Kournikova?
That's a poor comparison. Skylar upped her game this year and was one of the elite players of the league in only her second year. Her looks didn't get her there. It was her hard offseason work and talent.

Shoni needs to follow her lead and transform herself this offseason.
 
I strongly doubt that happens. You can barely get her out of Delaware for a WNBA season. What happens if she has a lyme flare-up in China? Makes traveling back to Delaware to see her doctors much harder.

I think some people's bodies just aren't built for the year-long grind and hers is one. She has said the back has always been a problem area.

I think that maybe she worked too hard last offseason. She sounded like she took too much responsibility for the Sky's first round exit that year. She had already gone through a college season of taking Delaware to the NCAA's then took the Sky to their first playoff spot.
She may need to find a more comfortable place in the middle to rest a little. Especially if she makes that much with the endorsements.
 
That's a poor comparison. Skylar upped her game this year and was one of the elite players of the league in only her second year. Her looks didn't get her there. It was her hard offseason work and talent.

Shoni needs to follow her lead and transform herself this offseason.

Right, the same things that got her the photos in the SI swimsuit edition.
 
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First, let's talk about making "more" rather than "enough." Plenty of us live all year on what WNBAers make in 3.5 months. (and we don't get per d's, housing allowances etc.)

If they were going to have that salary for 40 years, then that's a fair comparison. But they get a WNBA salary for 10 years (if that) and then they've gotta find something else to do. And they're starting 10 years later than everyone else. They need that W salary to be covering the first few years of their post-BB career when they could be unemployed or making entry-level wages.
 
Ahhhhh....to be young and beautiful. Sponsors pay good money for that. Can anyone say Anna Kournikova?

Great minds easttexastrash, great minds....;)

I compared Skylar Diggins to Anna Kournikova on another board- example of two athletes rewarded all out of proportion to their athletic accomplishments. Boy did I get criticized for that....:rolleyes:
 
Great minds easttexastrash, great minds....;)

I compared Skylar Diggins to Anna Kournikova on another board- example of two athletes rewarded all out of proportion to their athletic accomplishments. Boy did I get criticized for that....:rolleyes:
In a subjective area here, but I think Sky Diva's athletic accomplishments are greater than Anna's, but Anna is MUCH better looking. And the combination of the whole package for each has resulted in much more income for Anna. Of course Anna's sport is more popular and more highly commercialized than WBB, so hard to compare. But IMO Anna has "model" looks and Skylar is far from that.
 
But IMO Anna has "model" looks and Skylar is far from that.

And yet, she's modeled in multiple (at least SI and Essence, probably forgetting some) magazines. I think she looks fairly ordinary on the court but she "cleans up" really well.
 
And yet, she's modeled in multiple (at least SI and Essence, probably forgetting some) magazines. I think she looks fairly ordinary on the court but she "cleans up" really well.
meh... Like I said - subjective
 
And yet, she's modeled in multiple (at least SI and Essence, probably forgetting some) magazines. I think she looks fairly ordinary on the court but she "cleans up" really well.

I think Skylar is breath taking when she is off the court and glammed up.
 
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I think Skylar is breath taking when she is off the court and glammed up.
her and EDD are very attractive young women. As much as I hate to admit looks will effect these things, these two should be marketed to the nation at large because they are pretty an(not that they aren't great players) something that Griner or to a lesser extent D don't have. I think the WNBA needs this to reach a larger fan base (sadly).
 
her and EDD are very attractive young women. As much as I hate to admit looks will effect these things, these two should be marketed to the nation at large because they are pretty an(not that they aren't great players) something that Griner or to a lesser extent D don't have. I think the WNBA needs this to reach a larger fan base (sadly).
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I can see saying someone is pretty, but saying someone is not is interesting. Basically, you said DT is unattractive, although not as unattractive as Griner.

Those who think EDD and Diggins are pretty are not going to become fans of WBB for that reason. That is not the demographic of the WNBA.
 
. I can see saying someone is pretty, but saying someone is not is interesting. Basically, you said DT is unattractive, although not as unattractive as Griner.

Those who think EDD and Diggins are pretty are not going to become fans of WBB for that reason. That is not the demographic of the WNBA.
I think feeling the need to market to lesbians, or market pretty girls to mainstream males, or market whatever non-basketball attribute to whatever demographic, is just remedial to the main issue - making the basketball product interesting enough to attract the mainstream sports fan.
 
I think feeling the need to market to lesbians, or market pretty girls to mainstream males, or market whatever non-basketball attribute to whatever demographic, is just remedial to the main issue - making the basketball product interesting enough to attract the mainstream sports fan.

It's all about the game. I vote that as their advertising slogan for next season.
 
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her and EDD are very attractive young women. As much as I hate to admit looks will effect these things, these two should be marketed to the nation at large because they are pretty an(not that they aren't great players) something that Griner or to a lesser extent D don't have. I think the WNBA needs this to reach a larger fan base (sadly).

Well I don't know who 'her' is but I'm guessing it's Diggins.

Well I can see that a value in marketing looks might bring in fans though one has to wonder if these are fans of basketball or fans of pretty girls.

As one who looks beyond the face and watches basketball prowess and values a great player I would hope That the great player not the look would be the attraction for the serious basketball fan.

If the WNBA stoops to market itself based on pretty girls then I would imagine that that would be pretty demoralizing for women's basketball. As a musician I would rather be judged based upon my talent and performance, and not upon my looks.

Because if it were about looks and not about quality I don't think I would want to exist in such a superficial world
 
Well I don't know who 'her' is but I'm guessing it's Diggins.

Well I can see that a value in marketing looks might bring in fans though one has to wonder if these are fans of basketball or fans of pretty girls.

As one who looks beyond the face and watches basketball prowess and values a great player I would hope That the great player not the look would be the attraction for the serious basketball fan.

If the WNBA stoops to market itself based on pretty girls then I would imagine that that would be pretty demoralizing for women's basketball. As a musician I would rather be judged based upon my talent and performance, and not upon my looks.

Because if it were about looks and not about quality I don't think I would want to exist in such a superficial world
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Sports Illustrated has a little over 3 million subscribers and is read by 23 million people per week. But their annual swimsuit issue has 15X that circulation, is responsible for $35 million in ad revenue (per issue) and gets 35 million online views.
 
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Marketing individual players because they are attractive is the way of the world. It happens with males, as well. How else do you get the most eligible bachelor athlete articles and the downright bizarre fascination a few years ago about Gisele Bundchen dated and married Tom Brady.

I don't think it is likely to transfer into putting additional fannies in the seats and even more so, isn't going to make new converts to the sport. But I suppose there isn't anything wrong with it, as long as the athlete doesn't mind. I just don't happen to care how my team's athletes look.

Just to be full disclosure - I have never bought a swimsuit issue, but did see some of one of the ESPN Body Issues years ago.
 
I think probably the ultimate of 'marketing' of the athlete over the sport is beach volleyball. Too lazy to check the figures, but I suspect the women's game is at least equally popular if not more popular than the men's version - I certainly stumble on more women's games being televised. I happen to love volleyball and played it before I blew out my knee, but the swimsuit version is the combination of the SI coverage of sport and their annual swimsuit edition.
And ... we can all say that men's athletics is all about the competition and certainly it is less focused on looks, but if you check endorsement deals and popularity of the male athletes - looks certainly don't hurt. Tom Brady would be a great QB getting paid millions if he looked like the back side of a horse, but he would not be making as much off the field.
 
I think feeling the need to market to lesbians, or market pretty girls to mainstream males, or market whatever non-basketball attribute to whatever demographic, is just remedial to the main issue - making the basketball product interesting enough to attract the mainstream sports fan.

I wish this was the case but there are a lot of sexists who wont watch women's basketball because they think they all look like Griner and will not be able to play as well as the men. I know people who only tuned in to our simi final game because they loved the look of Diggins. As much as I love the game, other guys need that "hot girl" to tune in.

Not the sane issue but my own dad would never watch women's basketball because he was sure the product sucked. He would make fun of me for watching it. One day he was board walked in the room while I was watching and fell in love with UConn in one day. Now he thinks the women's game is more skilled than the men's.

I think for some the attractive girl may have that effect on other guys, get them to come to the table for the looks , stay for the basketball!
 
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I can see saying someone is pretty, but saying someone is not is interesting. Basically, you said DT is unattractive, although not as unattractive as Griner.

Those who think EDD and Diggins are pretty are not going to become fans of WBB for that reason. That is not the demographic of the WNBA.

Not exactly what I meant. I just think Diggins and EDD are gorgeous and may get casual viewers to tune in. Where D and Griner look more like stereotypical athletes. I trust the quality of the sport to convert those who have preconceived notions and have never watched until they saw these players. I don't care why someone tuned in first. just that they fall in love with the game
 
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Diggins got some of my friends watching when she was at ND
 
I guess we have to agree to disagree here. My dad called me some 30 years ago or so and said, "kid, I know you love basketball. There is a team, a coach here that plays the most beautiful game of basketball you have ever seen. Come home this weekend and watch with me."

And that was that

But I guess I am wired that way. I don't look at musicians, I listen to them. Actors, I watch performances, aware that there are writers and directors helping them/giving them material with which to work while they research and develop their characters and their respective motivations. The fire guys who came to my apartment house to put out the fire, I never once looked at their faces from a standpoint of physical beauty. I was just glad that they were there to help.

I was riding a city bus the other day carrying three bags of groceries. Standing next to me was a man who had a hard, grizzled, creased face, tousled hair cut short and whitened with age...he had a bit of a belly, scruffy tee and faded jeans, and very blue eyes. He struck up a conversation with me while surreptitiously looking in my bags..he was an undercover cop on duty that day in response to the heightened security that prevails in this city. We had a nice conversation once he realized that I wasn't going to blow up the bus...he was from Queens I am thinking, based upon his accent. Certainly this man was no specimen of beauty, but I liked his soul very much - clearly he loved his city...

Beauty has it's place. Physical beauty is only skin deep, and it doesn't last. Inner beauty is a much different thing. It is the soul, it is either god given or it is developed and lasts until the body gives out. the beauty of sport transcends any physical beauty IMO. Nothing beats a well played game.

If the WNBA uses players such as EDD and Diggins to bring in viewership, it is the purist in me that shudders at the thought, and thinks that it is too bad that folks would not tune in simply because they like basketball....like I did, a long time ago.

JMO
 
http://www.delawareonline.com/story...nne-believes-home-cooking-will-cure/16167545/

Smart move on EDD's part. Has to find a means to get completely healthy if she wants a long Basketball Career.
EDD for all the bad blog press is one fine player with great talent. My mind is still out on what kind of person she is---I'm not sure she used her sister for too many excuses--But her mom wow what a great lady, beautiful, smart , caring and polite and she truly loves her kids. Don't know much about Dad--only that he was buying a house near Derby when EDD bolted back to Delaware, from what I was told.
 
I guess we have to agree to disagree here. My dad called me some 30 years ago or so and said, "kid, I know you love basketball. There is a team, a coach here that plays the most beautiful game of basketball you have ever seen. Come home this weekend and watch with me."

And that was that

But I guess I am wired that way. I don't look at musicians, I listen to them. Actors, I watch performances, aware that there are writers and directors helping them/giving them material with which to work while they research and develop their characters and their respective motivations. The fire guys who came to my apartment house to put out the fire, I never once looked at their faces from a standpoint of physical beauty. I was just glad that they were there to help.

I was riding a city bus the other day carrying three bags of groceries. Standing next to me was a man who had a hard, grizzled, creased face, tousled hair cut short and whitened with age...he had a bit of a belly, scruffy tee and faded jeans, and very blue eyes. He struck up a conversation with me while surreptitiously looking in my bags..he was an undercover cop on duty that day in response to the heightened security that prevails in this city. We had a nice conversation once he realized that I wasn't going to blow up the bus...he was from Queens I am thinking, based upon his accent. Certainly this man was no specimen of beauty, but I liked his soul very much - clearly he loved his city...

Beauty has it's place. Physical beauty is only skin deep, and it doesn't last. Inner beauty is a much different thing. It is the soul, it is either god given or it is developed and lasts until the body gives out. the beauty of sport transcends any physical beauty IMO. Nothing beats a well played game.

If the WNBA uses players such as EDD and Diggins to bring in viewership, it is the purist in me that shudders at the thought, and thinks that it is too bad that folks would not tune in simply because they like basketball....like I did, a long time ago.

JMO
To me the face of the WNBA is not Skylar Diggins or EDD but Steff Dolson. Ok the purple hair was a bit over the top but that's steff. What sets her apart is the smile, the fun, the glee--any team that gets her shall forever be happy. There are better players, true. But there is only one Steff.
Radylady--the game is the game, it's how it's played. I've watched Geno's teams yo these many years and I am spoiled. There are many "marks" that distinguish Geno's team, but I love their passing and TEAM play. Geno has STAR's because that along with TEAM play wins--unselfish is another MARK. In "cleanup " time I watch to see the improvement the end of the bench has developed.
 
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EDD for all the bad blog press is one fine player with great talent. My mind is still out on what kind of person she is---I'm not sure she used her sister for too many excuses--But her mom wow what a great lady, beautiful, smart , caring and polite and she truly loves her kids. Don't know much about Dad--only that he was buying a house near Derby when EDD bolted back to Delaware, from what I was told.

I do know both her mom and dad and fot some reason they treated me as part of their family. Still keep in touch with them and as great as Joanie is her dad is just as great of a person I have ever met.
Now on a different part of this thread I go back almost 30 years. I am at home flipping through the channels when I see Pam Webber taking the ball up court. I watch for a few minutes but because I am a male I keep flipping through the channels. Again I arrive on CPTV and again Pam is bringing the ball up court. This time I stay on that channel until the game ends. Yada yada yada the rest is history.
 
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I do know both her mom and dad and fot some reason they treated me as part of their family. Still keep in touch with them and as great as Joanie is her dad is just as great of a person I have ever met.
Now on a different part of this thread I go back almost 30 years. I am at home flipping through the channels when I see Pam Webber taking the ball up court. I watch for a few minutes but because I am a male I keep flipping through the channels. Again I arrive on CPTV and again Pam is bringing the ball up court. This time I stay on that channel until the game ends. Yada yada yada the rest is history.
EDD's Mom treats all that way. I barely knew her and she was gracious, kind and open. Tell me is this what happens to your mind after watch so much WBB? Ya da ya daa ya daaaa
 
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I can see saying someone is pretty, but saying someone is not is interesting. Basically, you said DT is unattractive, although not as unattractive as Griner.

Those who think EDD and Diggins are pretty are not going to become fans of WBB for that reason. That is not the demographic of the WNBA.
The WNBA and WBB College need to work hard to SELL WBB to the uninformed world. I speak to all women who wear a College shirt (Nebraska, JMU, UVa, etc) and ask them about their team or a particular player on that team--they think I'm from another planet. Football lots of women know whose on those teams, many know the Mens BB teams--women"?? What are they. I preach the gospel of WBB how pure how great , not the beautiful women (and quiet a few are fantastic).
But I'm hissing in the wind--the choir went home to watch football.
 
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