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[QUOTE="husky429, post: 5331314, member: 6696"]
I've given up on the dip debate because anyone thinking a dip is a bad thing in 2025 just aren't watching basketball critically enough.

But this is a good question and from what I saw it was both in the methods IIRC.

A shot without a dip is extremely high level stuff. You're not going to see it at the college level. Some of the best shooters never learn to (Ray, Steph). Klay Thompson was a guy who has mastered used both a dip and a no-dip shot. It's use is as a last-second way to get up a 3 to beat the clock.

I think the "no dip" folks miss two things.

1) a dip is naturally built into any shot off the dribble. Dribble, ball comes up, you lift amd elevate with it.

2) And Off the catch it's rare to catch with your feet at a complete standstill. If you're catching on the move--like on the first step of a 1-2 shot--you are low in an athletic stance. The ball comes dow as you catch and lifts as the legs and arms extend.

For these two reasons a shot with a dip isn't ACTUALLY slower. There are guys who have looked at 100s, maybe 1000s of shots in the NBA to prove this. Check out Mike Dunn. He probably did this study 3 or 4 years ago.
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