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Message: [QUOTE="superjohn, post: 3821019, member: 1522"] That's a very good point and I don't understand it either. He's hands down the best rebounder in the league and is always top 5 in defensive rating and has led the league several times in it and the way people talk about him certainly doesn't match what he does on the court. The guy gets crapped on more than anyone in the league partly because the game has changed so much, people don't like the way he plays, they always want more from him, and he was on a talentless Detroit team. [/QUOTE]