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Message: [QUOTE="Sifaka, post: 3597153, member: 8516"] A bit off to the side of this worthwhile discussion, but closely related... The presumed purpose of a college/university is—surprise—education. Two schools that were and are very good at [I]educating students[/I] are the University of Chicago and Fordham University. Fordham went from being a national power in football (which it began playing in 1882) to discontinuing the sport in the 1950s, and then resumed playing as a Division III team in, I believe, the late 1980s. Throughout that time and up to today it has been excellent at teaching and research. U. of Chicago is one of the very best academic institutions in the nation. Their football team won quite a few Big Ten titles. It dropped fooball in 1939 and resumed playing in 1973 as a Div. III program. All of its Nobel Prize winners didn't seem to have noticed. [/QUOTE]