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I have a question. I watched a couple of men's games yesterday. On a few of occasions a player bringing the ball up court lost the handle, chased the ball down, picked it up, and started dribbling again. In the old days, that would have been a double dribble. Same with mishandling a pass, bouncing it once, sometimes twice, picking it up and start dribbling. Did the rules change? Is the double dribble going the way of carrying the basketball?

Speaking of carrying, I've seen a point guard indignantly bouncing the ball at chin level bringing the ball up court. Of course, no carry.
 
I’ve noticed the same things. I don’t know if the rules have changed or just the interpretation. Either way, the practice seems quite different from my youthful memories. A flubbed pass didn’t count as a dribble, but all the rest did. Unless someone else touched the ball, you couldn’t legally resume a dribble faster touching the ball with both hands.

The carry rules have evolved more gradually, perhaps beginning with Earl Monroe and Spencer Haywood. Large-handed fellows who could palm the ball with ease. The Pearl developed this technique of palming the ball as he pivoted one way and then the other. It was quite impossible to defend against. KK and Blanca use pivots in a way that seems to be a descendant of the Pearl’s technique. Haywood had exceptionally large hands and could wave the ball around like a lollipop, a skill he used in dazzling ball fakes. He also used it in his dribble, occasionally giving the ball a squeeze while deciding if he was ready to make a move. It was the ultimate ‘hesi.’ Once the league accepted his ‘style’ there was no going back.
 
Skeets said:
I have a question. I watched a couple of men's games yesterday. On a few of occasions a player bringing the ball up court lost the handle, chased the ball down, picked it up, and started dribbling again. In the old days, that would have been a double dribble. Same with mishandling a pass, bouncing it once, sometimes twice, picking it up and start dribbling. Did the rules change? Is the double dribble going the way of carrying the basketball?

Speaking of carrying, I've seen a point guard indignantly bouncing the ball at chin level bringing the ball up court. Of course, no carry.
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It's a double dribble. Once player picks up a dribble it's over even if the player accidentally loses control by himself.
 
Rules have changed for some reason, players get great advantage by not dribbling and hooking the ball. Pathetic and constant
 
Also, many times I have seen a player dribble into a corner, and stop. Suddenly, the defensive player is all over him, and he looks around and sees no one to pass to,,,,,,,
SO, he dribbles his way out of the corner.
 
It's almost like at times refs don't want to call the blatantly obvious, even in the NBA. I've seen Lebron James, Russell Westbrook, James Harden... catch the ball and take like 3 steps before even beginning to start a dribble motion. There is one very famous one of Lebron when he takes like 5 steps.
That's why I love the shock on their faces when a ref actually does blow the whistle. They all have the same look like "What did I do?". It's the same look A-Rod had after knocking the ball out of Arroyo's glove in the playoffs in 2004.
 
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Skeets said:
Speaking of carrying, I've seen a point guard indignantly bouncing the ball at chin level bringing the ball up court. Of course, no carry.
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Skeets said:
It's a double dribble. Once player picks up a dribble it's over even if the player accidentally loses control by himself.
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You can dribble a ball as high as you want, even above your head, as long as your hand stays on top of the ball.
 

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Used to be, if your hand touched the bottom hemisphere of the ball, that was the end of your dribble. Not any more. Even Paige got away with that. Which leads me to believe that the great ones are really tuned into the latest trends in officiating.

Another one is when a guard receives a pass on the perimeter, then one foot hits the floor, then the second one, and the guard is then allowed to pivot on the second foot. That should be a travel.
 
There has been noticeable inconsistent enforcement of both double dribbling and carrying/palming rules. Guards especially point guards frequently lift the ball with their hand under the ball which is not called unless clearly blatant. Frankly, while I've noticed it many times not once was it ever called. So that is a rule while on the books is essentially never enforced.

As for double dribbling today's elite players at the college and pro level have developed a fluidity that have resulted in varying rule interpretations. What I see frequently now is what I call the "stutter-step" first move before making a drive with the ball. Ash for one is someone who gets - or at least used to get - that call pretty frequently which I'm sure is/was extremely frustrating to her. What is more frustrating to coaches as well as this rabid fan is the varying enforcement of rules from one official to the next. I think we all can cite the names of those refs who will call things that others won't. Maybe what is needed is AI referee robots ! 😀
 
LwrcasefaN said:
There’s no crying in baseball AND…no traveling in basketball. - James Harden 🤣
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Can't compare the NBA to college ball. No way college players could get away with how the NBA players travel.
 
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