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Message: [QUOTE="DMIL, post: 2506804, member: 8539"] Also because we don't have tru upper class man that can also teach the young recruits it compounds the situation quite a bit. That lack of leadership jumps out even more so and it is painful to watch. But if you step back and really evaluate the vision and how all of these pieces between classes work together you can clearly see the holes and why our product looks as bad as it does. It looks horrible but it's not really as bad as it looks. Once the holes are addressed then we can build some depth at key positions. Right now we have some good role players but they are young so they will be inconsistent. [/QUOTE]