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Message: [QUOTE="msf22b, post: 4162132, member: 656"] Tony Sorry to disagree. They looked ok in the game last night but i think we are guilty of what I would refer to as "optimism creep." Butler was no better than a a practice game with different (lesser) practice players. We looked (generally) ok, not embarrassing, but not top-ten either. We will be playing better teams as the season progresses, may even lose a bunch more. We should enjoy what gifts Geno and the kids can bestow on us this season and not compare this group to Christmas past. Because this is a new year, a new, damaged and underachieving group, led at the moment by a freshman of whom modest expectations were anticipated. Let reality reign. [/QUOTE]