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The Colts announce they have agreed in principle with former Patriots guard Donald Thomas, who became a free agent today.

Donald Brown@Donaldb31
Looking forward to teaming up again with fellow @UConnHuskies Donald Thomas #buildthemonster

No details on a contract but congats to Donald!

Patriots lose free agent lineman Donald Thomas to Colts
03.12.13 at 5:45 pm ET

The Colts have come to terms with offensive lineman Donald Thomas, who started seven games last season for the Patriots.

The 6-foot-4, 305-pounder out of UConn, who has also played for the Lions and Dolphins over the course of his career, played in all 16 games for New England last season, and proved to be an important part of a Patriots’ offensive line that had several moving parts over the course of the 2012 season.

Thomas is the first member of New England’s free agent class to sign elsewhere

http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports...se-free-agent-lineman-donald-thomas-to-colts/
 
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Jeez, the Colts love dem some Huskies. Donald Brown, Darius Butler, Scott Lutrus and now Donald Thomas. I love the Colts. I spend most Sundays listening to Colts games on live streaming internet radio and the play-by-play guys are great.
 

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Being a Pats fan I used to hate the Colts since they had a great rivalry with the Pats.

Now I find it hard as hell to root against that team.
 
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The crazy thing is that Thomas was available for anyone to pick up last year. A street free agent whom no one wanted.
 
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4 years $14 Million for Thomas.

He probably got half that upfront. And after Obama taxes the rich young man, he probably pocketed about $3.5 mil. Most likely the deal is backloaded and he will receive about $600,000 in salary this year. Not bad.
 

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He probably got half that upfront. And after Obama taxes the rich young man, he probably pocketed about $3.5 mil. Most likely the deal is backloaded and he will receive about $600,000 in salary this year. Not bad.

Leave the politics for the cesspool Pal.
 
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Leave the politics for the cesspool Pal.
It's not politics it's economics. Which, if you have been following the NFL free agent period, pretty much drives professional football. Teams in markets with no income tax, like Miami, have a a built in monetary advantage. And every agent knows the true value of the contract that his clients are signing. When you see the numbers, remember the actual dollars that a player pockets is much less. And yes, tax policies play a key role.
 
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It's not politics it's economics. Which, if you have been following the NFL free agent period, pretty much drives professional football. Teams in markets with no income tax, like Miami, have a a built in monetary advantage. And every agent knows the true value of the contract that his clients are signing. When you see the numbers, remember the actual dollars that a player pockets is much less. And yes, tax policies play a key role.

Then what the hell does Obama have to do with it?

Taxes are lower now than ever before in the last 100 years (excepting the last three years of Obama's first term).

I don't believe this argument either about lower state taxes. It simply doesn't work. Do the math. State taxes in total offset federal tax, so if you're paying 6% to you state, that amount is offset on your federal income. So 35% of that 6% offsets.

Let's say you have two million a year offers, one from Florida and one from New York. You're in the 35% federal bracket, so you're already at $650k take home to start, $643.5k after payroll taxes. But the New Yorker shells out $60k to the state of New York which would put him at $583.5k. He then offsets his federal taxes and pays $20k less to the feds, which brings him back up to $603.5k. His agent takes $60k, so now he's at $543.5k. The Floridian meanwhile pays $65k to his agent, so he's at $585k. Athletes in this range are probably not going crazy over $40k a year. If they have $5m contracts, they are in an even higher tax bracket, so the $200k difference diminishes even more (i.e it becomes a difference of about $180k).

I'm not sure these guys are making decisions on multi-million contracts by looking at that $180k difference.
 
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Then what the hell does Obama have to do with it?

Taxes are lower now than ever before in the last 100 years (excepting the last three years of Obama's first term).

I don't believe this argument either about lower state taxes. It simply doesn't work. Do the math. State taxes in total offset federal tax, so if you're paying 6% to you state, that amount is offset on your federal income. So 35% of that 6% offsets.

Let's say you have two million a year offers, one from Florida and one from New York. You're in the 35% federal bracket, so you're already at $650k take home to start, $643.5k after payroll taxes. But the New Yorker shells out $60k to the state of New York which would put him at $583.5k. He then offsets his federal taxes and pays $20k less to the feds, which brings him back up to $603.5k. His agent takes $60k, so now he's at $543.5k. The Floridian meanwhile pays $65k to his agent, so he's at $585k. Athletes in this range are probably not going crazy over $40k a year. If they have $5m contracts, they are in an even higher tax bracket, so the $200k difference diminishes even more (i.e it becomes a difference of about $180k).

I'm not sure these guys are making decisions on multi-million contracts by looking at that $180k difference.

Obama has raised the effective tax rate on millionaires, that effects the final numbers on every contract and has a bigger effect on high priced free agents.

The NFL cap this year only rose about $2 million dollars, from about 1$121 million to $123. However the rise in taxes make the larger contracts worth less. So, in effect, teams actually have less money to spend. That means GMs have to be more judicious with their decisions. So, yes, $180,000 with less cap money makes a difference. And I postulate your numbers are very conservative in terms of dollars lost. I think the result will be lots of guys who are testing the waters of free agency will end up back with their old teams for less money. Guys like Ed Reed, who could command increased FA dollars not only as a player, but also for young teams that need a mentor/coach on the field are just not as valuable this year. I expect him back with the Ravens.

It's all connected. The NFL is a business. And this is one way that government and taxes affect which players end up on which teams and final rosters. It may be political to some extent because political decisions drive economics, and taxes do to a large extent.

Please read this as it is intended.
 
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... Teams in markets with no income tax, like Miami, have a a built in monetary advantage...

So the key is to live in a state with no income tax, on the border of a state with no sales tax.....like me! :p
 
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Every player pays the federal tax rate, it is the variation in state rates that could have a tangible impact on free agent signings. Teams like Dallas, Houston, Miami, Tampa, and Tennessee have a great advantage over high income tax and high cost of living states like California, NY/NJ, and Illinios. A $10m contract in Tennesee is worth more than $1m in take home than in Cali.

Gotta tell you that living in Tennessee means a lot more pocket money than my days in CT.
 
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Every player pays the federal tax rate, it is the variation in state rates that could have a tangible impact on free agent signings. Teams like Dallas, Houston, Miami, Tampa, and Tennessee have a great advantage over high income tax and high cost of living states like California, NY/NJ, and Illinios. A $10m contract in Tennesee is worth more than $1m in take home than in Cali.

Gotta tell you that living in Tennessee means a lot more pocket money than my days in CT.

You guys are way way way overblowing the numbers. $10m in Tenn. is NOT worth $1m more than Cali.

You guys haven't accounted for multiple factors here. For one, state income taxes offset federal taxes. Also, realize that 10% is taken off the top by agents, so $1m of that contract is already gone.

And, most importantly of all, you are paid by the amount earned in the state you worked. So, half of the money is taxed at the California rate, and the other half outside of California.

I don't know what the national average is for income tax, but given the NFL schedule, your total rate would changed year-by-year based on what divisions you play in that year.

So, a Miami Dolphin has to pay taxes for 2 games in New York (Jets and Bills), and one game in Mass. Then another 5 games in AFC cities (Pitt, Baltimore, Cleveland, Cincy, and the like).

When it comes down to it, there is some difference. Not a big one.

Essentially, because the money is only taxed in the state it's earned, you need to halve the tax% differential, and THEN consider that 1/3rd of it is offset by deduction on federal taxes. This literally means that the Cali. top rate is halved and then chopped by a third after that cut because of deductions.
 
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The state, plus country, plus city tax rate for Los Angeles is 9%. The lowest California, plus county, plus city, tax rate is 7.5% in places like Lost Hills in Riverside County.

It really does matter and effects how teams in different areas of the country have to pay free agents. But this is getting way off point.
 
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The state, plus country, plus city tax rate for Los Angeles is 9%. The lowest California, plus county, plus city, tax rate is 7.5% in places like Lost Hills in Riverside County.

It really does matter and effects how teams in different areas of the country have to pay free agents. But this is getting way off point.

Well, there's no team in LA.

Bu the bigger point is this: only half of a team's games count against the state's tax rate. The rest of the games are played out of state. Plus, few players get paid $10 million a year in the NFL.
 
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Well, there's no team in LA.

Bu the bigger point is this: only half of a team's games count against the state's tax rate. The rest of the games are played out of state. Plus, few players get paid $10 million a year in the NFL.

There are teams in Oakland (9.0), San Diego (8.0) and San Francisco (8.75) - all in California.

BTW, I specified in my post this is especially effect high end free agents.

I live in one state and work in another. I pay taxes where I live.

What is your objection to economic reality?
 
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There are teams in Oakland (9.0), San Diego (8.0) and San Francisco (8.75) - all in California.

BTW, I specified in my post this is especially effect high end free agents.

I live in one state and work in another. I pay taxes where I live.

What is your objection to economic reality?

Oak and SD play each other yearly, they play SF once every four years. The vast majority of teams do not exist in big states like Cali. The point is, only half of the salaries are subject to home state's tax for the vast majority of teams.

Your anecdote about your personal situation has nothing to do with how state taxes are applied for NFL football players.
 

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There are teams in Oakland (9.0), San Diego (8.0) and San Francisco (8.75) - all in California.

BTW, I specified in my post this is especially effect high end free agents.

I live in one state and work in another. I pay taxes where I live.

What is your objection to economic reality?

I work in for an electric utility and know plenty of linemen. Most of those guys pay local income tax to many municipalities and states (and sometimes countries) due to working on restoring power after storms. It's not a situation unique to NFL players.
 
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Two DT articles:

http://www.nhregister.com/articles/...5144f2aa037fc920278712.txt?viewmode=fullstory

>>♦West Haven’s Donald Thomas spent much of the past five years scratching and clawing simply to remain on an NFL roster. He’s spent more than a few harrowing weeks living out of a suitcase while working out for teams in need, praying his phone would ring with another opportunity.

So it was new territory for Thomas when, at 27, he found himself in the middle of a multi-team bidding war. On Tuesday he signed a free agent contract with the Indianapolis Colts, a four-year deal worth a reported $14 million.“It was all a new situation for me. I’ve never been that guy before,” Thomas said Friday. “I feel blessed.”

Since a promising start to his pro career — he won a starting job on the Dolphins offensive line in training camp as a rookie — Thomas suffered through two major injuries and was released by three different teams.

His career path changed last fall. The Patriots needed him to start at left guard when Logan Mankins was hurt. Thomas’ effectiveness and versatility in front of Tom Brady made him a desirable commodity this offseason.

“I was given an opportunity this year and I capitalized on it,” Thomas said. “I knew I could still play, I just needed a genuine shot. New England gave me that shot. It was a battle for me in training camp just to make the roster.”

The Colts not only provide Thomas the chance to start for a team on the upswing, where he’ll protect quarterback Andrew Luck, but an opportunity to join a franchise that’s quickly become a haven for UConn football alums.

Thomas will join ex-teammates Donald Brown, Scott Lutrus and Darius Butler in Indianapolis. “It’s great that one team will have so many UConn guys on the roster,” Thomas said. “I’m excited to get back to Indy. It’s going to be like a reunion.”<<

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