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Message: [QUOTE="Husky68, post: 3161906, member: 173"] Not so fast. Looked at the link provided for how teams have done vs. seeding 2000 to 2019, which is how the site loads (doesn't have stats any further back). Out of 374 coaches listed, Coach K is 369th. This is using the PASE, which is Performance Against Seed Expectations. That does suck. A potential explanation is that NCAA group vastly over seeds Duke and coach K is a magician to even get to 369th PASE with this giant disadvantage (unrealistic expectations). Offsetting that, It could also be that if Duke was ranked lower (assuming it was over ranked) it might have lost earlier in the tournament due to playing "better" opponents earlier. Now statistics can be manipulated to some degree so its good to see if there is some rime or reason to some of the other results. Here it seems there is. Examples: Calhoun - #8. Out of 374 coaches that is very high and kind of expected. Surprised Boehiem has same score and listed as #7. Cronin - #367. Ahead of coach K. Cronin being this low is hard to do as his teams are not likely to be "over" seeded but seems to make sense with "anecdotal" view of his coaching performance at Cincinnati. Jamie Dixon -#374. Last. This, like Cronin seems to make sense with his Pittsburgh NCAA team performances. If coach K had "too high seeding" disadvantage or just a disadvantage at being a high seed (hard to beat expectations of a #1 seed and getting into a lot of tournaments you can't just have an outlier tournament like a Shaka or Ollie to keep this stat high for you) then Williams, Calipari would expect to also be low. Not the case. Calipari is #2 and Williams is #3. So "Does coach k suck", not sure that is the case in the most general coaching sense. But if you mean: When looking at 2000 to 2019 coaching W/L performance in the NCAA tournament vs. seeding expectations how did Coach K perform; and this original post seems to be asking that sort of question by stating: "Year after year K puts the best talent in college basketball on the floor. And year after year he comes up short." To that question being #369 out of 374 does in fact really, really, really suck. You are looking up at MICK CRONIN! [/QUOTE]

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