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Message: [QUOTE="gtcam, post: 3021624, member: 2844"] this thread started being absurd and some of the postings take it to another level If you have to ask if Dan Hurley is beating his head against a wall then I think that it is you who had unrealistic visions of instant success. Athletically and physically this team is vastly inferior to many teams and that is what Dan Hurley has to change, it starts with getting a quality big but swings and misses at the elite isn't going to do it. He needs kids with size and an attitude that comes with an edge. He is not getting the 5*s and maybe not even an elite 4* on any consistent basis. He needs to build the team like JC and Geno did at the start - kids who can shoot, rebound, have a big motor and want to play hard. Once those kids start winning, the better players will follow. Kids the P5s have looked at but only consider them as last ditch plans I believe Dan Hurley can coach these types of kids to be successful [/QUOTE]