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Message: [QUOTE="TCC Kid, post: 4112578, member: 11583"] Few people beat me in Idealistic. I believe in the truth, honor, apple pie and the American way. I believe in following the rules. My teeth grit over minor not following rules. But when rules like : The person that initiated the contact committed the foul. are violated--the rules are thrown out for some, if true, throw out the rules for all. That comes from the fairness gene. Of course, I determine the rules. That is only fair. Players like you,me, Paige can take a hit and have. It is part of playing hard. Some players get hurt thats unfortunate but it's part of the game. Play and maybe get hurt , I play or sit down and watch . I think charging fouls are good part of the game. Flopping, not so much. Taking the charge is valid, if you establish your position, no leaning, no twisting, no moving. No arguing with that. Charging taking a charge is not flopping. The discussion is on flopping. You realize that no matter the rules charging or not will always be a judgement call. Flopping, or initiating contact and getting a call your way is some thing I would like to see stopped. Those calls can (with a degree of accuracy) be made. [/QUOTE]