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Did we just witness the genesis of the Talent Reload - Win NC one year cycle?

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Now that Cal and UK have finally won that NC with a team full of wunderkind after reaching -4 with a young team the year before did we just witness the beginning of a pattern where a program can reload on a yearly basis and compete for the NC year after year? Now I realize that UK achieved a F-4 Finish-Partial Reload-NC two-year run, but they are in position to pick up another uber-talented class and keep the pattern going. If they do so, but also lose their entire starting line-up that consisted of 3 freshman and 2 sophomores (Lamb & Jones), the latter who at least had one year under their belt, it's yet to be seen if they can win back-to-back NCs or at least get back to -4 and then maybe win the NC the year after that.

One thing is for sure, as much as I don't like Cal, he knows how to develop players and found a way to get this latest crop of elite ones to buy into his program and play unselfishly. They just might have made it to the Championship game last year if Knight had bought into this. I'm still thankful that he followed the pattern I've seen where the top freshman or sophomore shoots his team prematurely right out of the tournament, but I digress. :)

Now UK did have one upperclassman in Darius Miller who contributed. He often came off the bench but did have his share of big shots throughout the season. If they lose their entire starting 5 plus Miller, history tells us that a team without some sort of returning leadership rarely if ever wins the NC, so the pattern might be more like a 2 year one. Now I bet many of us would sign up for a Reload-F4-Partial Reload-NC-Reload-F4-Partial Reload-NC type Pattern.

As much as many of us don't like Cal he may have finally created the right culture at the right program. It's hard to blame the best of the best for wanting to play together for a year or two, knowing they can hone their skills, win a load of games, have a great shot at winning the NC and getting drafted high, even though they need to share the spotlight with their fellow elite teammates. It's hard to argue that in most cases, his players improve and many go on to be very good NBA players. I realize a lot of them are coming with a great deal of talent, but there are many coaches that are good at either screwing up that talent or developing it slowly. Cal has coached players that came in with great potential into great players. He's also developed some unheralded ones into very good ones as well, something that JC has excelled at over the years. For those who think he's just a slick car salesman that simply throws the ball out there and says play, isn't paying attention.

In the past, a team that loses a bunch of talented underclassmen often are not able to fill all their holes with ready-to-contribute freshman. Cal seems to be the first or one of the first to do so and looks to be in position to reload in similar fashion for another run at the F4 and NC over the next year or two. We'll have to wait and see how things play out with the remaining 2012 class and to some degree what talent UK lands in the 2013 class as well, but I would not be shocked if UK lands Nerlens Noel and Shabazz Muhammad and maybe even Bennett to go along with Poythress, Goodwin & Cauley, who have already committed to UK. That would be yet another scary bunch of talented freshmen. I think someone mentioned that there is some talented transfer PG that will be eligible next season. If that's the case and they lose Teague, who I think should return for another season, they might have enough leadership for another deep run. Having experience and talent at the PG position is usually critical to go deep in March. Teague would seem to be one player who is very important for Cal to convince his return for next season.

Now don't get me wrong. I like the way JC has built our UConn program on the backs of the unheralded. I hope that continues long after JC hands over the reigns to the next Head Coach whenever that day arrives. Granted he gets his handful of McD AAs (Donyell, Rip, Khalid, Taliek, Rudy, Kemba, etc.) and highly touted freshman (Caron, Drummond, Hasheem, etc.), but it's the combination of them and the unheralded (Smitty, Nadav, Ollie, Ray, Donny, Jake, KFree, Emeka, Ben, Hilton, Boone, Lamb, Bazz, etc.) that has made rooting for UConn one of the most exciting rides we've ever experienced. I'm good with that model. There are few programs that could even pull off what Cal is doing at UK. And of course it's quite satisfying when our program knocks off the Burger AA laden programs such the UK's and Dook's of the college basketball world.
 
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I don't think so. I think what he witnessed was Anthony Davis. Those are once or twice-a-decade kind of guys. Noel for example is no where near Davis based on what I've seen.

As I mentioned in another thread on here - despite Cal raking in the bluechips year in and year out he's still going to have to catch lightening in a bottle like every other coach in order to win a title. Most of teams teams will resemble the last two years more than this year - immature, a lot of bad decisions, not great defensively, lackluster offensive execution/half court game, etc.

This is the first time that I've been impressed with Calipari's coaching ability. I never understood the hype about him "developing guys" or "getting guys to the NBA". Rose, Wall, Evans, Cousins, etc were all NBA-ready before Calipari spent a single practice with them. I heard a great comparison today on WFAN, that Calipari is like Joe Torre in his Yankee tenure. His best attribute is his ability to manage egos and build chemistry - though before this season I wouldn't have described Calipari in that way. Ultimately it may remain to be seen, it could very well be that Davis and MKG were simply that special as people and players and that they made the sacrifices needed. It may be a long time before Cal has another group of kids willing to buy in like these did.
 

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Unless Anthony Davis has a twin out there that no one knows about, this ins't going to happen like this again. Davis was the glue that held that team together. I think a normal group of top freshmen will be like his previous teams at Kentucky and Memphis...uber talented, but will not have the experience and 'all-in for the team' attitude that is necessary to win the title.

I know all the Kentucky fans will disagree...but I think this year was the exception and not the norm. Anthony Davis was just that good (which is amazing in itself in that 2 years ago he was a 6'2'' guard who was not a D1 level recruit....2 years later he is a once-a-generation player).
 
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I don't think it's that easy to win with OAD's regardless how talented they are. Also, when you have that many "stars", the chemistry can blow up in your face. Kentucky had a lot of talent, good chemistry and a premier shot blocker. Without the shot blocking, they could have had an off night and lost.
 
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I don't think it's that easy to win with OAD's regardless how talented they are. Also, when you have that many "stars", the chemistry can blow up in your face. Kentucky had a lot of talent, good chemistry and a premier shot blocker. Without the shot blocking, they could have had an off night and lost.
This response is to a few of the replies. I'm not suggesting it is easy or that they will fall into this pattern, but that it might happen. If they land Noel, he's as good if not a better shot-blocker than Davis, though his offensive game is not as good. Many under-estimate his passing though. He's very good at finding open teammates and seems to prefer to defer at this stage of his development.

Davis was a big reason why UK won the NC, but far from the only one. He was surrounded by a lot of very good offensive and defensive players. There's no reason why Cal can't put together another well balance and talented group.

I hope not, but I'd be lying if I wasn't intrigued at what his 2012 and 13 classes will look like.
 
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UK this year had the right chemistry to win it all. Their kids bought in and were unselfish, id be suprised if Cals next crop will share those same values.
 
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Unless If Calipari pulls in Noel and Muhammed next year's version of UK won't be nearly as talented. And yes, their chemistry was crazy. Their top 7 were all pretty much top 5 players at their positions from their respective classes, but they all seemed to buy into doing the little things to win games. Fun team to watch no matter your opinion on Cal or UK.
 

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Unless If Calipari pulls in Noel and Muhammed next year's version of UK won't be nearly as talented. .

Would anyone be surprised if he did just that?
 
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Would anyone be surprised if he did just that?
I think the odds are high that he does. Let's hope the speculation that Cal might jump to the Knicks if offered a boatload of money turns out to be true, so that UK would slips back to be an irrelevant program like it was before the Cal resurrected it.
 

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I'd agree that it was more a great mix of talent (Davis) with enough of the others buying into the team. Arguably we had the right mix of talent and experience and we know how that worked out. Andre is as talented (or close) to Davis but didn't develop as quickly. If he stays AND we get better buy in, we are a top 10, maybe higher team.
 
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There's a BIG difference between hoping to win a national championship and expecting to win one. Now that Calipari has done it they have to both defend it with new players (take everyone's best shot) and combat the cultural shift of an expectation to win a national title. Kids are more likely now to come to Kentucky thinking they are the most talented by virtue of being there and their recruits/frosh might think they've earned the right to compete for the national championship before they've done a single thing. They'll certainly continue to be competitive, but they got lucky with the 2 sophomore returnees and got lucky that they're two biggest competitors Syracuse and NC lost a key player during the tournament. I think they are in the mix every year but we are unlikely to see another juggernaut like this year's Kentucky squad.
 
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Your giving Anthony Davis too much credit. He was good for sure but I dont buy that once in two decades kind of player. He's certainly not Danny Manning or Carmelo Anthony. We'll see for sure at the next level, but I think Cal has to get the credit for molding the team and making them sacrifice for one another.
 

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Your giving Anthony Davis too much credit. He was good for sure but I dont buy that once in two decades kind of player. He's certainly not Danny Manning or Carmelo Anthony. We'll see for sure at the next level, but I think Cal has to get the credit for molding the team and making them sacrifice for one another.

Agreed. He certainly wasn't the most impressive player on the floor on Monday. Withy more or less neutralized him on offense. It's an era of 6'8", 6'9" centers. Davis could bother them on D and shoot over them on O. Facing a single decent 7' guy, he couldn't get his shot off. He definitely didn't carry his team the way Carmelo, Manning, or Kemba, did.

I was far more impressed with the team defense. Every guy out there played D to the max for the whole game. Impressive from a bunch of high profile recruits, who usually want to showcase their offense. So credit to Cal for that, and to the kids for being unselfish. With Davis and Jones manning the middle, the perimeter guys smothered the KU guards and wings. Releford got nothing, and Taylor got his points on drives. The gave up no easy baskets. KU's D was good too. They lost on second chance baskets and an inability to stop Lamb (and to a lesser extent Teague).
 
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Your giving Anthony Davis too much credit. He was good for sure but I dont buy that once in two decades kind of player. He's certainly not Danny Manning or Carmelo Anthony. We'll see for sure at the next level, but I think Cal has to get the credit for molding the team and making them sacrifice for one another.
Huh, how can you cite the next level after referencing Manning who did next to nothing in the NBA? Did he even make an all-star team? Some guys are simply transcendant players in college basketball and what they do or do not do in the NBA has nothing to do with it. Emeka Okafor was going to lead UConn to a title in 2004 9/10 times but it ultimatley didn't mean he could do the same for an NBA team. The list of guys who were inordinately great and important to a college team but 'just another guy' in the pro's is immense. Lots of these guys put up truly dominant college seasons; Ralph Sampson, Walter Berry, Chrissy Laettner (gag), Ed O'Bannon etc.. Whether or not Anthony Davis goes on to NBA superstardom, all-stardon or just another guy-dom, he was a truly great and the dominant college player in 2011-12. He was not a singular reason they won, they had a great team and lots of great players, but most definitely ADavis was their best player and the most important reason they were dominant in a 'we've got Taurasi and no one else does' kind of way.
 
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Anthony Davis is the best FRESHMAN center in college basketball in more than a decade. Sorry but you guys need to consider his age with his talent. If he were to stay in college................ well forget it that ain't happening. The kid is very good with excellent skills, footwork and shooting touch. He was 1st team AA and deserving so.

Its amazing how we easily gush about with Drummond and yet a better, more talented center who can carry his team, is talked about as a non-factor. By the way NBA has nothing to do with a college basketball player playing college basketball. For example that Gonzaga kid a few years back would have made any top 100 college bball team, yet he stunk in the NBA. But you can never take away his college bball contributions.
 
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