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Message: [QUOTE="UcMiami, post: 3861442, member: 199"] Didn't forget, just not sure any of the other Pac teams have staying power to really challenge Stanford - yes Oregon and Washington and Oregon State have made noise in the last few years and UCLA and AZ look decent, Since 2000 Stanford has won 17 of 20 titles and 7 FF - the rest of the Pac has 4 FF, one each by Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, and Cal. And they are looking like they are the best Pac team this year after having not been for the past few. [/QUOTE]