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Message: [QUOTE="Chin Diesel, post: 4877423, member: 34"] For me the hardest to slot in top 10-12 are Wilt, Shaq and Kobe. Wilt, by all individual stats is #1 or #2. His career and Russell's career had significant overlap and Russell's rings crush Wilt even though there is no debate Russell had a better supporting cast. It was the next iteration of DiMaggio and Teddy Ball Game. Shaq was a force but compared to Wilt, Russell and Jabbar I still think Shaq comes up short. I put Olajuwon ahead of Shaq and put Shaq at #5 for centers all-time. Kobe is another player whose mental toughness increases his perception. He was lethal as a two way scorer and defender. Is he a better version of Dr J? IDK. Steph revolutionized the game with his ability to make shots anywhere inside of 35'. Did Kobe revolutionize anything or just perfect an existing paradigm? Again, IDK. I hated the Celtics as a kid but man, if Bird had two more years healthy, he'd be 2-3 spots higher. [/QUOTE]