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Message: [QUOTE="Paesano, post: 3011263, member: 5631"] I get what you are saying but what does it mean "to truly enjoy learning"? Every meaningful goal, academically, includes having to take classes you don't enjoy. Getting into top colleges requires a high GPA and doing all the right extracurriculars. That means sacrifice and stress. And that doesn't change when it comes to getting into med school or a good law school or a top PhD program. If you refuse to take classes you don't enjoy and/or you don't do well in them, doors close. Same thing for doing the right extracurriculars. But, if the kid does "the right things", you risk it not being fun and enjoyable anymore. To me, it is still clear as mud. We all do our best when advising our kids but none of us really know what is best for them. [/QUOTE]