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Message: [QUOTE="rip7774, post: 4295022, member: 320"] I don't consider Martin a guard at all. More of a 3/4, his strength was his strength and improved outside shooting. We had one competent ballhandler until Andre stepped up and he's still a wing to me. I think we were Sweet Sixteen at a minimum if Hurley took a point or combo last offseason. Wasted what could have been a deep run imo. Imagine Cole getting to play off the ball with his stroke?? Woulda been nice. He wore down late in games often and missed big free throws on occasion I don't think he'd have missed if not playing high leverage 35+ mins. I try to be open-minded, but feel pretty certain last year's guards (again, not counting Martin who did a ton of damage on the glass) were among the worst group (obv Cole was a warrior) we've had since i started watching in 1994. Again in the Pantheon of worst units, I remember the dire straights behind Marcus for sure, though he was an absolute stud, Cole was terrific but I don't think he's on Marcus' level. He was a first rounder and dominant college player. Point is, I don't want Hurley to ever be in that situation again. I remember Calhoun saying something similar after that Williams and no one else year. [/QUOTE]