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Message: [QUOTE="6&counting, post: 5334280, member: 14009"] Yes Cloer does have a better handle than Karaban (and maybe even Stewie - tbd*). He also has a nearly identical recruiting profile from a size perspective to Karaban (listed height, weight, wingspan), and similar shooting capabilities to Karaban. Has not demonstrated quite the same cerebral grasp of offensive concepts as Karaban, but his passing indicates that may develop. And also just like Karaban, he would have difficulty generating separation from a traffic cone. He does not have the lateral quickness to consistently guard High Major 2's - which could also mean 3's in 3-guard lineups. So the projection is that he will likely need to put on weight as you said to play/start for us down the line. All that to say his ceiling is leaving college early as a draft pick [/QUOTE]