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Message: [QUOTE="superjohn, post: 4621742, member: 1522"] Trust me I'm rooting for Cleveland just like I'm rooting for Chicago, Milwaukee, Detroit, St. Louis....I think Milwaukee is a true hidden gem as are Cleveland and Detroit in many ways but they're suffering with out of control crime. These Midwest cities were hurt much more by manufacturing leaving than anywhere else and they've been mismanged/are currently mismanaged which isn't seeing them be what they could be. They have the bones of truly great cities with great old architecture, space, waterfront locations etc. but the crime and poverty are way too high. Cleveland is perfectly suitable even great for a tourist to have a fun weekend with plenty of stuff to do/see but Cleveland is not exactly like every other city as people in the thread are saying... They've lost 60% of their population in the last 60 years, 6th highest murder rate, and they've been fighting it out with Detroit in recent years as the poorest big city in America. Trust me, I want people to visit and I think [USER=5787]@Hey Adrien![/USER] should visit but people saying it's a great place to live and it's just like any other city aren't exactly stating the current reality of the city. Of course it can still be a great place to live for some people in certain neighborhoods but overall the city is currently a really tough place for a lot of residents to live in. [/QUOTE]