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Message: [QUOTE="msf22b, post: 3380185, member: 656"] A case can be made (and I have been making it) that Niele Ivey was the real power behind the thrown; that Muffet is lost w/o out her especially on the recruiting front and on the practice floor. Muffiet is not particularly pleasant when she wins; when she loses she is a wicked witch. Even her loyal board (really quite understanding with regard the kids) is on her for her Hollyesque pressers. What a remarkably, terrible sport. About the game:I finally watched the 1st half: Despite M's assertions, they ran stuff that reminded me of Christmas past,,, oops, I mean ND past. They just couldn't finish anything....Why? Really, not much talent, speed, savvy, athleticism...even fitness (which is under their control). And the D and rebounding is quite awful. At least in this game, their shooting was abysmal. I imagine we've still not hit bottom with this group... In a way, far more pathetic than even UTenn was the last few years. [/QUOTE]