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I never thought I would say this about a player I respected but she is clueless. I agree that there might be parity (actually it may already be there - just look at the tournament results) but it ain't gonna' be because players are learning the game from instagram.

http://www.13newsnow.com/sports/wil...ens-basketball-after-this-uconn-run/106927317

From the article -

"But this style of creating your own way is becoming more of a trend.

“I think at the grassroots level, kids have more access of how to develop their skills and stay dedicated to improving themselves in a way that’s different,” Ogwumike said.

“You have technology now that can help you figure out how to improve your shot. You don’t need to go to a certain place to get that kind of instruction. You can go to YouTube, watch on Instagram and try to mimic things.”


Coaches better watch their back because they are going to be replaced by YouTube.


 
I don't think she's clueless at all. It's true. I used to watch a video of Pete Maravich to practice my ball handling. Kids have been doing that kind of thing for ages, there is just so much more available now. I wish I had been able to watch Steph Curry's pregame routine, or a breakdown of KML's shot in slow motion.

And I think you are underestimating the amount of bad coaching at the youth level. I coach, and you'd be shocked at how many coaches barely know the rules, much less what type of fundamentals the kids need to learn. If they can figure that out on their own by watching it online, good for them.
 
I never thought I would say this about a player I respected but she is clueless. I agree that there might be parity (actually it may already be there - just look at the tournament results) but it ain't gonna' be because players are learning the game from instagram.

http://www.13newsnow.com/sports/wil...ens-basketball-after-this-uconn-run/106927317

From the article -

"But this style of creating your own way is becoming more of a trend.

“I think at the grassroots level, kids have more access of how to develop their skills and stay dedicated to improving themselves in a way that’s different,” Ogwumike said.

“You have technology now that can help you figure out how to improve your shot. You don’t need to go to a certain place to get that kind of instruction. You can go to YouTube, watch on Instagram and try to mimic things.”


Coaches better watch their back because they are going to be replaced by YouTube.

She is way off base on the Youtube thing because the primary purpose of a coach is to correct and adjust and Youtube is just not self correcting. I also disagree with what she thinks is the impact of "top players are staying home". IMO this will create less parity and likely to keep UCONN on top.
 
All this talk of parity needed in wcbb is just absolute bologne. There is parity already! These kids are pretty much the same. Every top 10 college teams get their fair share of All-Americans. Whats different is the coaching! Don't these idiots get it? Its the development, practice, desire, the uconn program that turns out these amazing kids. Plain and simple! What, all the coaches have to coach the same way? Bunch of hogwash. Quite honestly, i couldn't and would not watch womens basketball without uconn. uconn is the purest of its sport. Its like listening to Mozart. It's beautiful and makes sense at first sight. You watch other teams and you just want to shout at the screen with obscenity. I ask "these kids get a scholarship for this"?
 
Sure, a coach can correct. But players can learn a lot by watching and mimicking what other players do. And trust me, until you get to a higher level, the coaching ain't that great at the youth level. You're lucky if you have a mom or dad who knows what they are doing, or if you can get your kid on a club team that emphasizes more than running fast and shooting a ton.
 
This was posted on another thread and I agree 100% - you need good coaches and teammates to reply learn how to play any team game - you can develop great personal skills in a gym with a trainer, and watching video can help, but all that means is that you can shoot the ball and dribble the ball - doesn't do much for thinking the game and working with a team.
 
She's talking about the grassroots level. And if watching a youtube video of their favorite player gets a kid excited to go practice their skills, I fail to see how that's a bad thing?
 
You watch other teams and you just want to shout at the screen with obscenity. I ask "these kids get a scholarship for this"?

And I thought I was the only one. My dear bride doesn't much approve of my yelling "stupid" at the big 'ol Samsung. She thinks I am calling another person stupid, as opposed my taking exception to the really bad ("stupid") decisions that poorly coached players make with and without the ball. She tires of hearing me say, "Geno would bench her for that in a Philly second."
 
She is way off base on the Youtube thing because the primary purpose of a coach is to correct and adjust and Youtube is just not self correcting. I also disagree with what she thinks is the impact of "top players are staying home". IMO this will create less parity and likely to keep UCONN on top.

I may be missing something. UConn has no top players from Connecticut, so how would top players staying home keep UConn on top?
 
I never thought I would say this about a player I respected but she is clueless. I agree that there might be parity (actually it may already be there - just look at the tournament results) but it ain't gonna' be because players are learning the game from instagram.

http://www.13newsnow.com/sports/wil...ens-basketball-after-this-uconn-run/106927317

From the article -

"But this style of creating your own way is becoming more of a trend.

“I think at the grassroots level, kids have more access of how to develop their skills and stay dedicated to improving themselves in a way that’s different,” Ogwumike said.

“You have technology now that can help you figure out how to improve your shot. You don’t need to go to a certain place to get that kind of instruction. You can go to YouTube, watch on Instagram and try to mimic things.”


Coaches better watch their back because they are going to be replaced by YouTube.
She may have over-emphasized a point, but she is at least partially RIGHT. Young players today are using media in several ways that my generation did not/could not. Learning a sport, and learning about that sport certainly fall within the kinds of uses that young people exercise. Now, if we want to argue that the Internet is a mammouth waterfall of wrong ideas and incorrect infomation, that's a different point. For web users young and old the best advice is still caveat emptor.
 
She's talking about the grassroots level. And if watching a youtube video of their favorite player gets a kid excited to go practice their skills, I fail to see how that's a bad thing?
No she talking about going to any old college cause you can learn all you need to about basketball on-line - no need to find a coach to develop your game.
 
I may be missing something. UConn has no top players from Connecticut, so how would top players staying home keep UConn on top?
UCONN is/ has never been dependent on regional only talent with the possible exception of Rebecca Lobo to stay on top. That will not change . By more players deciding to stay home essentially you are dispersing the remaining talent- See Wilson @ South Carolina, Cox in Texas etc. Regional teams will be periodically strong but not strong enough to beat a national/international recruited brand like UCONN.[/QUOTE]
 
UCONN is/ has never been dependent on Connecticut only talent with the possible exception of Rebecca Lobo to stay on top. That will not change . By more players deciding to stay home essentially you are dispersing the remaining talent- See Wilson @ South Carolina, Cox in Texas etc. Regional teams will be periodically strong but not strong enough to be a national/international team like UCONN.
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One small technical correction. Lobo was not from Connecticut....darn close but no cigar.
 
One small technical correction. Lobo was not from Connecticut....darn close but no cigar.[/QUOTE]
Please note my edit.
 
vtcwbuff, I couldn't agree more. I posted this same felling on another thread. So if a woman basketball player wants to be come great, skip going to UConn or another elite college team, and just watch YouTube and Instagram videos, mimicking those and you'll be the next Breanna Stewart. Clueless, I agree!
 
I think that is a grotesque misinterpretation of her comments.
As is the interpretation below.

vtcwbuff, I couldn't agree more. I posted this same felling on another thread. So if a woman basketball player wants to be come great, skip going to UConn or another elite college team, and just watch YouTube and Instagram videos, mimicking those and you'll be the next Breanna Stewart. Clueless, I agree!
 
Sure, a coach can correct. But players can learn a lot by watching and mimicking what other players do. And trust me, until you get to a higher level, the coaching ain't that great at the youth level. You're lucky if you have a mom or dad who knows what they are doing, or if you can get your kid on a club team that emphasizes more than running fast and shooting a ton.

She was talking about at a higher level. Watching a video of Yo-Yo Ma is not going to make you a skilled cellist.
 
Having read the article I see very little to complain about. It is well written and you do not need to be so concrete in your thinking about "youtube." Some of the top tennis players were (and are) trained by parents who were not players. They watch videos and executed accordingly. This is true for runners and increasingly is the case for many other sports. The question remains, will this be true for group sports like basketball, soccer, etc. And if so, where are the limits. We already know that you need not go to Uconn to be one of the top WNBA stars.
 
She was talking about at a higher level. Watching a video of Yo-Yo Ma is not going to make you a skilled cellist.

“I think at the grassroots level, kids have more access of how to develop their skills and stay dedicated to improving themselves in a way that’s different,”

Grassroots = Beginner level. She is alluding to the fact that younger kids these days have easy access to videos in order to study how the great players of the past and present play. For example, KML was cited saying she and her dad studied Reggie Miller's shooting form in order to get where she is today.
 
UCONN is/ has never been dependent on regional only talent with the possible exception of Rebecca Lobo to stay on top. That will not change . By more players deciding to stay home essentially you are dispersing the remaining talent- See Wilson @ South Carolina, Cox in Texas etc. Regional teams will be periodically strong but not strong enough to beat a national/international recruited brand like UCONN.
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My point exactly. The person I responded to said players staying home would keep UConn on top.
 
If the top 5 out 5 went to UConn how come she and her sister went to Stanford?
 
I never thought I would say this about a player I respected but she is clueless. I agree that there might be parity (actually it may already be there - just look at the tournament results) but it ain't gonna' be because players are learning the game from instagram.

http://www.13newsnow.com/sports/wil...ens-basketball-after-this-uconn-run/106927317

From the article -

"But this style of creating your own way is becoming more of a trend.

“I think at the grassroots level, kids have more access of how to develop their skills and stay dedicated to improving themselves in a way that’s different,” Ogwumike said.

“You have technology now that can help you figure out how to improve your shot. You don’t need to go to a certain place to get that kind of instruction. You can go to YouTube, watch on Instagram and try to mimic things.”


Coaches better watch their back because they are going to be replaced by YouTube.

My short response: You just put words in her mouth, and then called her "clueless." That's not how it's usually supposed to work.

My longer response:

You said: "I agree that there might be parity... but it ain't gonna' be because players are learning the game from instagram."

Chiney didn't say that. What Chiney predicted was, simply, that more of the top players will be staying close to home:

"I just feel like the top players are staying home, top players are going to different schools... UConn would get the top five or six of the top five or six... UConn will still get amazing talent, but the talent is definitely going to disperse.

Who knows if it plays out this way in the coming years, but it's a very simple statement and it is not at all the same thing that you said. It is the article's author who put the word "parity" in the title and then went on to cite some data that suggests that more top players may in fact be staying closer to home of late. (I happen to think UCONN will be fine in the recruiting wars going forward, FWIW.) Chiney's talk about the dispersion of talent and her opinion that UCONN won't get so many top players is, in the author's way of thinking, akin to saying there will be "parity" in WCBB. That's not exactly same thing, but it's a pretty reasonable, and pretty small, logical step to make.

As you point out, Chiney also says that she feels players are better able to develop their skills today because of technology (YouTube, Instagram) and that they don't have to go to a top school to get 'that instruction.' (More importantly, she makes it sound as though this is not an uncommon idea among today's high school age kids.) In a narrow sense, she is certainly correct. There's a lot more stuff out there that kids can learn on their own. In a broader sense, I would agree (most would) that that's only a small part of what you can get from good coaching and a very small part of what you can get from a top program and top coaching. Which is is what really got your goat.

But nowhere does Chiney: (1) even use the word "parity", or (2) say or imply that parity will be brought about because of kids using YouTube, Instagram, etc. and upping their games that way, without coaching. Her opinions re: YouTube, Instagram and kids "wanting to develop their own brand and make their own story" are support for her contention that more of them will be choosing to "stay home." This is where the (implied) greater parity comes from(!), by implication from the article's author.
 
She is way off base on the Youtube thing because the primary purpose of a coach is to correct and adjust and Youtube is just not self correcting. I also disagree with what she thinks is the impact of "top players are staying home". IMO this will create less parity and likely to keep UCONN on top.


I agree with you. (Youtube?)

So YouTube is way better than going to Storrs to learn from the greatest coaching staff among WBB huh?

Give me a break. Yes you can gain skills on your own. But you still need to learn the game & broaden your understanding of it.

She should of went to YouTube instead of Stanford.

Sounds like more to her comment than what isn't being said. But I'm going to leave it alone.
 
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