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Message: [QUOTE="Improviser, post: 4868535, member: 10683"] Nothing like having these electronics. Before buying my 2017 Subaru Legacy, I owned a 2007 Toyota Camry. It had low mileage, low maintenance, nice ride and good handling. I brought it in for the 5000 mile checkups as recommended by Toyota. But did not have the above features and was approaching 10 years,( apparently the cutoff for a decent trade-in). So, I got a nice trade-in and never looked back because of the features you described. [/QUOTE]