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Message: [QUOTE="Sphinx, post: 2530257, member: 4623"] Right on, as you often are. The OP has a point in saying that "dumb and untalented" can be confused with a "lack of effort" , but the confusion relates more to the coaching staff than the players. It is the brain trust, I'm afraid, that is dumb and untalented -- a whiny face surrounded by blank stares. Why call a time-out when the only thing you have to transmit to your players is a state of bewilderment? [/QUOTE]