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Read this from HCRE's media call--quote as follows:

"They don’t understand situations. They don’t understand the big picture, with how everything evolves. A lot of them aren’t taught that, they don’t come in here and when you have young guys and other guys that haven’t come from programs where the fundamentals and the techniques have been taught, that’s what we have to do."

I get that this may be true, but is it not an awful idea to throw high school coaches who you've tried to build a relationship with under the bus? Why would you ever do that? Granted, I doubt they'll read this, but why would you criticize them? When they have another FBS level player, they won't like you and won't try to guide future recruits towards your program. Maybe I'm overreacting, but this seems like bad form.
 
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Read this from HCRE's media call--quote as follows:

"They don’t understand situations. They don’t understand the big picture, with how everything evolves. A lot of them aren’t taught that, they don’t come in here and when you have young guys and other guys that haven’t come from programs where the fundamentals and the techniques have been taught, that’s what we have to do."

I get that this may be true, but is it not an awful idea to throw high school coaches who you've tried to build a relationship with under the bus? Why would you ever do that? Granted, I doubt they'll read this, but why would you criticize them? When they have another FBS level player, they won't like you and won't try to guide future recruits towards your program. Maybe I'm overreacting, but this seems like bad form.

You’re reaching...

... if he was dumb enough to name actual programs you would maybe have a point.
 

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You’re reaching...

... if he was dumb enough to name actual programs you would maybe have a point.

You're probably right lol. I'm just getting cranky with our results
 

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If he had said names of coaches or towns, that's one thing. But he was broad enough here and also not entirely wrong. As noted above, you only have so much time to teach high school kids fundamentals. There is also varying degrees of interest/motivation from the player at that level. One or two might be good enough to play at the college level somewhere. The rest are likely counting the minutes until football season is over so they can go chase other things.
 
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If he had said names of coaches or towns, that's one thing. But he was broad enough here and also not entirely wrong. As noted above, you only have so much time to teach high school kids fundamentals. There is also varying degrees of interest/motivation from the player at that level. One or two might be good enough to play at the college level somewhere. The rest are likely counting the minutes until football season is over so they can go chase other things.
And the good kids generally get coached up the least. If they're performing on the field, even if it's just due to their athleticism, coaches will work more with the kids that are fringe starters or aren't performing as a starter
 

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And the good kids generally get coached up the least. If they're performing on the field, even if it's just due to their athleticism, coaches will work more with the kids that are fringe starters or aren't performing as a starter

Agree. The kids good enough to get scholarship offers are not as receptive to being coached up. They're usually the best athlete on the field and feel like they don't need the coaching.
 

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Good, I was just thinking we haven't had any drama lately with the ultra prestigious CT HS Football Coaches Association.
 

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There usually are a lot of reasons for failure and Randy keeps finding more. Finding some solutions wouldn’t be a bad idea.

Maybe he should start by finding a kid capable of a 1 to 13 TD to INT ratio and install him as the starting QB, as you spent years clamoring for.
 

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I thought everything was his responsibility? Or was that not sincere?

He should really shut up with the blame game at this point.

He’s going to lose everyone at the rate he is going.
 
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I thought everything was his responsibility? Or was that not sincere?

He should really shut up with the blame game at this point.

He’s going to lose everyone at the rate he is going.
This comment was harmless
 

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This comment was harmless

Sure - and tomorrow when he points blame elsewhere that will be harmless too.

Chief is 100% right - go find a frigging solution to anything.
 
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Sure - and tomorrow when he points blame elsewhere that will be harmless too.

Chief is 100% right - go find a frigging solution to anything.
The only fix for this mess is time. Unless he has UConn working on a time machine there isn't a ton he can do
 
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The comment was in response to a question(s) on the Sunday night media call... There are only so many ways you can respond to the same question(s) each time they are asked.

DAY AFTER CALL: HC Randy Edsall’s Assessment After The 49-7 Loss To Cincinnati | This is UConn Country

>>LEARNING TO PLAY TOGETHER AS A TRUE DEFENSIVE UNIT:

“That’s one of the things that we’ve been talking about. Today, they watched the film as units to go over those things. One of the things that we need to continually do, we can’t coach these kids, we have to teach them because to me, there’s too many of them that don’t know how to play the game of football. They don’t understand situations. They don’t understand the big picture, with how everything evolves. A lot of them aren’t taught that, they don’t come in here and when you have young guys and other guys that haven’t come from programs where the fundamentals and the techniques have been taught, that’s what we have to do. We have to teach them everything, from A to Z. From football, how to practice and how to do all those things. That’s something we need to continue to do a good job of and do a better job of with these guys. In the long run, it will all pay off. Right now, we have to go through the pain of doing those things. In the long run, we are going to be fine. I took some guys now that I’m not going to play anymore as freshmen, they know what they will need to do to play and be successful at this level. Now we’ll let them get bigger and stronger because some of these guys weren’t big enough and strong enough coming in here, but we needed them to play. Now, after four games, some of them I’m not playing anymore, they are going to just redshirt, they are going to get extra lifting in and then in the long run, we’ll be better off down the road when we can play fifth year seniors, just like a lot of other teams do. Again, this is a developmental program. This isn’t a program that is going to have, shouldn’t have and won’t have guys coming in here and playing right away. What you want to do is develop guys. As you develop them, they have that experience, strength and knowledge because they’ve been taught the game. They’ll have good role models and I’m not saying anything bad about any of our guys, but they’ll have role models teaching them how to do it the UConn way right from the very beginning when they get here.”

HAVING TO LEARN THE GAME OF FOOTBALL, IS THAT INDICATIVE OF THE TYPE OF COACHING PLAYERS ARE GETTING AT THE HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL?:

“Football is a lot different at this level. There are really good high school coaches out there, I’m not saying that. I’m not saying there aren’t good high school coaches, there are good high school coaches, but at this level, the amount of work and amount of preciseness that goes into it and the understanding of everything, they don’t get to spend as much time with these kids in high school. The terminology and depth of what you might go into is different at this level. It’s a learning curve, it’s a process that kids need to go through to be able to pick that stuff up and do it. That’s one thing. We are in a program where we need to develop those guys. We don’t select, we recruit. What we have to do is develop those guys, so when you look at the whole package of guys coming in. Just go back and look, our success came from redshirting a bunch of guys and developing them, playing with fifth year seniors, that’s where your success lies in a program like ours. We aren’t an Alabama, we aren’t that type of school.”<<

I bet @ this point in the season Edsall would just like to shut up and Coach.
 

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The only fix for this mess is time. Unless he has UConn working on a time machine there isn't a ton he can do

Then just give us generic nonsense like we need to get better this week. Focus is on Memphis blah blah blah. Stop blaming the rest of the world. It’s already old.

And don’t feed me your success is from redshirting and then run off a defense and play all true freshman.
 
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Then just give us generic nonsense like we need to get better this week. Focus is on Memphis blah blah blah. Stop blaming the rest of the world. It’s already old.

And don’t feed me your success is from redshirting and then run off a defense and play all true freshman.
Meh I dont really mind it. I dont think it's worth getting riled up over. It just is what it is at this point. Best case scenario for the program seems to be Randy building the program back steadily over the next few years and then he retires and we don't screw up the next hire.
 

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We need to keep some of the CT talent that is popping up here. AJ Dillon would have been great get. Sucks when kids wanna stay local then go to BC.
 
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Read this from HCRE's media call--quote as follows:

"They don’t understand situations. They don’t understand the big picture, with how everything evolves. A lot of them aren’t taught that, they don’t come in here and when you have young guys and other guys that haven’t come from programs where the fundamentals and the techniques have been taught, that’s what we have to do."

I get that this may be true, but is it not an awful idea to throw high school coaches who you've tried to build a relationship with under the bus? Why would you ever do that? Granted, I doubt they'll read this, but why would you criticize them? When they have another FBS level player, they won't like you and won't try to guide future recruits towards your program. Maybe I'm overreacting, but this seems like bad form.

It’s a part of coaching. DH is doing the same thing with basketball. We aren’t fortunate enough to have players that have the highest football IQ. Those players end up at Alabama. It’s why recruits are ranked low or high. Our staff is responsible for getting the players ready to go to war. In order to win games you need to win in the fundamentals of the Game with respect to the big picture. This takes time when you have a lot of freshman that need to build their repertoire.
 
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Isn't the reason RE has coaching clinic's throughout the year with HS coaches to help them become accustomed to UC offense and defense techiiques. I believe he is also a guest at some of the Ct HS spring pratices. While some leagues are better than others I think its fair to say their are some untapped gems at these less competitive leagues that he should be able to recruit

I ask the question again. Why not bring in some JC players to help the younger people along. Every school does it.

Wisconsin,Mich,Mich State, BC and Syracuse get players from Connecticut. However, if your a kid having a chance to play in the Big10 or AAC and aspire to football beyond college where are you going?

His reluctance to recruit JC players will IMHO hurt the program in the long run as losing will continue to turn kids away
 
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We need to keep some of the CT talent that is popping up here. AJ Dillon would have been great get. Sucks when kids wanna stay local then go to BC.
There is some really good talent in state that we always miss on. This is where the AAC hurts us the most. Michael Collins and Lucas Niang both weren't coming to UConn. Zach Allen. AJ Dillon. The kid from Harding thats at Avon Old Farms is going to Clemson. Ben Mason could have been a starting linebacker for us but he's a full back at Michigan.

We don't need all of them, but we need some of them. Travis Jones was a good start. It's just harder to keep these kids a secret nowadays. Scott Lutrus probably never makes it here if he's playing in 2018 with all of the camps and P5 coaches poking around the state now.
 
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I'm more interested in which kids have played 4 games and are going to sit in order to retain their redshirt. Any ideas?
 

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