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Seton Hall, West Virginia, UConn, Cincy and South Florida all have work to do if they want to get in. Louisville, Notre Dame, Syracuse, Marquette, and Georgetown are locks. Pitt, DePaul, Providence, St. Johns, Rutgers, and Villanova are all out barring an impropable run to the Big East title.

IMO, the Big East will get eight teams in, which means two of Seton Hall, WVU, UConn, UC, and USF.

Let's look at the resumes of these teams, and what they need to do to get in.

Cincy: The resume: They've got a very ugly OOC resume, with losses to Presbyterian and Marshall, coupled with no good wins. In the Big East their only bad loss is to St. Johns at home. What I think gets them in, as of right now, is the good wins they have in conference, especially on the road. They won @Pitt, @Georgetown, and @UConn. They beat Notre Dame and Louisville at home, giving them a 10-6 conference record with four quality wins.

What they need to do to get in: Beating Marquette at home would likely get them in, regardless of what they do in the remaining games. If they lose to Marquette, they have to beat Villanova on the road and win one BET game. If they lose both, they probably have to get to the BET semis at least.

South Florida: The resume: Zero good OOC wins, including bad losses to ODU, PSU, and Auburn. They lost to VCU by 23, KU by 30, and USM by two. This is a fairly horrendous OOC resume, so when you couple that with the fact that they have few quality BE wins, it makes it tough to give them a ticket to the dance. Their only decent wins were beating Seton Hall at home, Pitt on the road, and Cincy at home. When they have faced tough tests, they have mostly failed. While they did pass the eye test @ Syracuse this past week, they also lost at home to UConn, @ND by 11, @MU by 20, and at Gtown by 30. Not very pretty.

What they need to do to get in: Winning @Louisville would probably get them in, even if they lose their next two. However, if they lose to Louisville, they need to beat WVU, and make the quarters of the BET. Losing to both of these teams would mean they would have to make the semis of the BET, simply because of their lack of quality wins.

WVU: WVU is most certainly on the outside looking in as of right now, but they find themselves in a similar position to UConn, at 7-9 in conference, but a solid RPI and SOS to back them up. Their only bad OOC loss was to Kent State, and they managed to beat KSU in Kansas City, while playing Baylor down to the wire in Vegas. Other relevant games include a win vs. Miami and a loss at Miss State. Based on their OOC resume, I would say they are in. However, in conference they have few quality wins to back them up other than a nice win at home against Gtown, and they have lost games @SJU, vs. Pitt, and @SHU. While they played the top teams tough, they ultimately have nothing to show for it.

What they need to do: They absolutely have to win their next two games, and then after that, they have to at least make the BET quarterfinals, if not the semis. Anything less than 21-13 and 9-9 in conference and they are out IMO. Of the teams fighting for a ticket, they are probably last, especially because of losses to bubble mates UConn and SHU.

SHU: SHU has a solid OOC resume, with no bad losses and a 15 point win against VCU. They also won @Dayton. They did what they needed to do in the OOC schedule, but the BE schedule is where they'll earn their ticket. They split a pair of games with UConn, beat WVU, and recently beat Georgetown. The committee will take into account the fact that Herb Pope was out for much of their six game losing streak, but at 8-9 in a down conference, they still have work to do, considering they have questionable losses @USF, @Nova, and vs. Rutgers

What they need to do: SHU needs to win their final game @DePaul, otherwise they are most certainly out barring a run to the BET semis or title game. If they take care of buisness against DePaul, they likely have to make the quarters of the BET. The Rutgers loss has them out for now.

UConn: While UConn played a weak OOC schedule compared to most years, it will look good to the committee, as reflected by the high RPI and SOS. The strength of their "cupcakes" was stronger than most teams, which will help them greatly. Their marquee OOC wins include a defeat of a very good FSU team on a neutral floor, and a victory over a good Harvard team at home. They beat an underwhelming Arkansas team, and lost to fellow bubble team UCF on a neutral floor. They lost by three @Tennessee, but in retrospect, that loss wasn't nearly as bad as it seemed, considering they are 8-6 in the SEC and have been a tough out at home all year long. In conference, they are a mediocre 7-9, with the only questionable loss coming @Rutgers, who have been pesks at home all year. They defeated fellow bubble team WVU at home, handed ND and USF their lone home losses, and beat SHU handily at home.

What they have to do: Beating Pitt and Providence to close the season, coupled with a run to the BET quarters should be enough to get them in, assuming the committee doesn't *k us over. If UConn were to lose one of their remaining two, they would likely have to make the semis of the Big East tournament at the very least. If UConn wins their remaining two games and loses to a WVU/SHU type team in the second round, it's going to be a very close call.

Right now it look as if SHU, WVU, and UConn are fighting for the final bye. Considering SHU and UConn have similar resumes, it could very well come down to a second round BET game between those two teams.
 
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They win the last 2 and beat depaul in the bet they are in, done and done. Take a look around at any projection, if the season ended today were in, solidly. It is pretty easy to understand, but the only people who have Uconn in real jeopardy are on this board.
 
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Seton Hall, West Virginia, UConn, Cincy and South Florida all have work to do if they want to get in. Louisville, Notre Dame, Syracuse, Marquette, and Georgetown are locks. Pitt, DePaul, Providence, St. Johns, Rutgers, and Villanova are all out barring an impropable run to the Big East title.

IMO, the Big East will get eight teams in, which means two of Seton Hall, WVU, UConn, UC, and USF.

Let's look at the resumes of these teams, and what they need to do to get in.

Cincy: The resume: They've got a very ugly OOC resume, with losses to Presbyterian and Marshall, coupled with no good wins. In the Big East their only bad loss is to St. Johns at home. What I think gets them in, as of right now, is the good wins they have in conference, especially on the road. They won @Pitt, @Georgetown, and @UConn. They beat Notre Dame and Louisville at home, giving them a 10-6 conference record with four quality wins.

What they need to do to get in: Beating Marquette at home would likely get them in, regardless of what they do in the remaining games. If they lose to Marquette, they have to beat Villanova on the road and win one BET game. If they lose both, they probably have to get to the BET semis at least.

South Florida: The resume: Zero good OOC wins, including bad losses to ODU, PSU, and Auburn. They lost to VCU by 23, KU by 30, and USM by two. This is a fairly horrendous OOC resume, so when you couple that with the fact that they have few quality BE wins, it makes it tough to give them a ticket to the dance. Their only decent wins were beating Seton Hall at home, Pitt on the road, and Cincy at home. When they have faced tough tests, they have mostly failed. While they did pass the eye test @ Syracuse this past week, they also lost at home to UConn, @ND by 11, @MU by 20, and at Gtown by 30. Not very pretty.

What they need to do to get in: Winning @Louisville would probably get them in, even if they lose their next two. However, if they lose to Louisville, they need to beat WVU, and make the quarters of the BET. Losing to both of these teams would mean they would have to make the semis of the BET, simply because of their lack of quality wins.

WVU: WVU is most certainly on the outside looking in as of right now, but they find themselves in a similar position to UConn, at 7-9 in conference, but a solid RPI and SOS to back them up. Their only bad OOC loss was to Kent State, and they managed to beat KSU in Kansas City, while playing Baylor down to the wire in Vegas. Other relevant games include a win vs. Miami and a loss at Miss State. Based on their OOC resume, I would say they are in. However, in conference they have few quality wins to back them up other than a nice win at home against Gtown, and they have lost games @SJU, vs. Pitt, and @SHU. While they played the top teams tough, they ultimately have nothing to show for it.

What they need to do: They absolutely have to win their next two games, and then after that, they have to at least make the BET quarterfinals, if not the semis. Anything less than 21-13 and 9-9 in conference and they are out IMO. Of the teams fighting for a ticket, they are probably last, especially because of losses to bubble mates UConn and SHU.

SHU: SHU has a solid OOC resume, with no bad losses and a 15 point win against VCU. They also won @Dayton. They did what they needed to do in the OOC schedule, but the BE schedule is where they'll earn their ticket. They split a pair of games with UConn, beat WVU, and recently beat Georgetown. The committee will take into account the fact that Herb Pope was out for much of their six game losing streak, but at 8-9 in a down conference, they still have work to do, considering they have questionable losses @USF, @Nova, and vs. Rutgers

What they need to do: SHU needs to win their final game @DePaul, otherwise they are most certainly out barring a run to the BET semis or title game. If they take care of buisness against DePaul, they likely have to make the quarters of the BET. The Rutgers loss has them out for now.

UConn: While UConn played a weak OOC schedule compared to most years, it will look good to the committee, as reflected by the high RPI and SOS. The strength of their "cupcakes" was stronger than most teams, which will help them greatly. Their marquee OOC wins include a defeat of a very good FSU team on a neutral floor, and a victory over a good Harvard team at home. They beat an underwhelming Arkansas team, and lost to fellow bubble team UCF on a neutral floor. They lost by three @Tennessee, but in retrospect, that loss wasn't nearly as bad as it seemed, considering they are 8-6 in the SEC and have been a tough out at home all year long. In conference, they are a mediocre 7-9, with the only questionable loss coming @Rutgers, who have been pesks at home all year. They defeated fellow bubble team WVU at home, handed ND and USF their lone home losses, and beat SHU handily at home.

What they have to do: Beating Pitt and Providence to close the season, coupled with a run to the BET quarters should be enough to get them in, assuming the committee doesn't *k us over. If UConn were to lose one of their remaining two, they would likely have to make the semis of the Big East tournament at the very least. If UConn wins their remaining two games and loses to a WVU/SHU type team in the second round, it's going to be a very close call.

Right now it look as if SHU, WVU, and UConn are fighting for the final bye. Considering SHU and UConn have similar resumes, it could very well come down to a second round BET game between those two teams.
 
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I'm sorry but if UCONN wins their next two games, and win their first game in the BET, either as an 8 or 9 they are in. I said this earlier...look at the other bubble teams, and not just the teams in the BE. UCONN has the no. 1 SOS in the country. If they can get to 19-20 wins, they are in. They played Syracuse, Notre Dame, and Seton Hall twice. Those are 3 of the top 8 teams in the Big East. No one has played a harder schedule.

Yes it would have been nice for UCONN to have beaten a Syracuse, or a Marquette. But the reality is UCONN's season will come down to beating teams they should beat. No small task by any means.
 
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The NCAA doesn't look at the number of teams from each conference. I don't know why they would, especially in the BE, which is more of an affiliation than a conference at this point.

The BE may only get 8 in, but it won't be because that's an NCAA limit. And since that isn't, UConn isn't directly competing with those teams, but instead against the bubble at large--which is pretty terrible. Beat PC and Pitt, and they're in. If they are the 9 seed in the BET, beat DePaul at least. If the 8, I'd like them to win, but a loss to Seton Hall would not likely pop their bubble.
 
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kind of over it, just win and get the job done. There are too many scenario's out there for and against. There will be some mid major tourney upsets, there always is and some team always gets screwed by it.
 
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They win the last 2 and beat depaul in the bet they are in, done and done. Take a look around at any projection, if the season ended today were in, solidly. It is pretty easy to understand, but the only people who have Uconn in real jeopardy are on this board.

You're probably right, although I'd rather not chance it. If an SHU or WVU team beats us on the Wednesday of the BET, it's possible that we are leapfrogged by those teams. There is also the possiblity that a few unexpected teams win their conference tournaments and steal bids.
 

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Lunardi said on Gameday that if we get to 9 wins in the big east whether it being during the regular season or big east tournament we are most likely in.
 
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hope we are the 10 in Dook or UK's bracket
If they are an 8-9, if they can win the first game to get to a 1 seed, it can't be Syracuse. That means it would be Kentucky, Duke, or MSU/Kansas/Missouri/UNC. None of those are teams I'd like to see. Give me Duke.

If they are 7-10, if they can win, they'd likely get Kansas/Missouri/UNC/MSU--the other 2 is a mystery. That's tough.

I think I'd rather be an 11-12 seed. You can hope for momentum and chaos.
 
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IMO, the Big East will get eight teams in, which means two of Seton Hall, WVU, UConn, UC, and USF.

For there to be 8 Big east teams, 3 of those would get in, not 2.

The locks are Cuse, Gtown, Marq, UL, ND. The five bubbles are Seton Hall, WVU, UConn, UC, and USF.

I think uconn has to avoid a loss to PC. It would be pretty bad to lose to Pitt as well, but as of right now, I think uconn has just one bad loss- Rutgers. Tennessee is slowly becoming an ok loss (16-13 overall; tied for 4th in the SEC). Two losses to teams below .500 would just look bad.

All five of those teams are so close that it's really gonna come down to next weekend and the first game or two in the tournament. I think USF is slightly behind the others, as their best win is Cincy.

Cincy has been playing better (or at least getting better results) than Seton Hall (lost 8 of last 12), Uconn (lost 8 or last 11) and WVU (lost 7 of last 9), so if the committee is going to look at recent results, as well as their big east record, they look pretty solid right now.
 
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Assuming we don't lose in the first round of the Big East Tournament to DePaul or an equally horific team, I think we're safely in if we win two of three against Providence, Pitt and the 2d round Big East game against another bubble team.

If we lose two out of those three, then I'm sweating.
 
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Assuming we don't lose in the first round of the Big East Tournament to DePaul or an equally horific team, I think we're safely in if we win two of three against Providence, Pitt and the 2d round Big East game against another bubble team.

If we lose two out of those three, then I'm sweating.


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They win the last 2 and beat depaul in the bet they are in, done and done. Take a look around at any projection, if the season ended today were in, solidly. It is pretty easy to understand, but the only people who have Uconn in real jeopardy are on this board.


100% true, no way around it
 
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the original premise of this thread is totally unnecessary. Its so simple and easy. as the committee you have to look at the whole season. Uconn has 6-7 quality wins while some of the other bubble teams have like 1-2. Uconn beats pc and pitt and theyre 100% in
 
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I agree, wins over PC and Pitt should seal it. If Depaul is the first round matchup in the BE Tourney, that would further cement it.
 
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Lunardi's most recent bracketology from this morning has us as a 10 playing gonzaga, then duke. Cuse is the #1 in the region. I don't know about you guys, but I think that's a pretty decent draw
 
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the original premise of this thread is totally unnecessary. Its so simple and easy. as the committee you have to look at the whole season. Uconn has 6-7 quality wins while some of the other bubble teams have like 1-2. Uconn beats pc and pitt and theyre 100% in

I've said it before and here goes again. I simply do not trust the screening committee (which operates on behlaf of ncaa). Think Boatright, apr, etc.

They'll pop uconn's bubble if they can.
 
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Another thread was started on this topic but I'll carry it over here

In theory, Hathaway can't talk about UConn in the tourney committee discussions. In reality, doesn't seem like there's anything stopping him from having side private conversations with others. Hathaway has many flaws, but I don't see him as the type to carry a grudge and do what he can to knock out UConn if he has an opportunity. Curious what others think.
 

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They win the last 2 and beat depaul in the bet they are in, done and done. Take a look around at any projection, if the season ended today were in, solidly. It is pretty easy to understand, but the only people who have Uconn in real jeopardy are on this board.

Yes, but the problem isn't guessing whether they're in or not if they win the next 2. It's whether they're in if they don't, and whatever happens in the BET. 2 wins, they're in. Everything else is what needs talking about.
 

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UConn is not close to the bubble unless it loses to PC or Pitt, or Depaul in the first round of the BET. UConn just has to avoid bad losses.

Have you seen the rest of the bubble? There are some mangy resumes this year (see Miami and Mississippi State) that have a pretty good shot of getting in.
 

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Lunardi's last four in:

Xavier (18-10) Wins over Vandy/Cincy, lost to UMass

Miami (17-10) Wins over FSU/Duke, lost to MD/Ole Miss

Texas (18-11) Wins over KSU, lost to OSU/OSU

Northwestern (17-11) Wins over Michigan State, no bad losses.

First four out:

Saint Josephs (19-11)
VCU (25-6) no great wins only Georgia Tech as a bad loss
Colorado State Rams (17-10) Beat NM lost to Boise State
South Florida (18-11)

Even record-wise UConn isn't dissimilar to these teams. Through in UConn having much better wins and it's going to take some monumental f-ups to keep UConn out. Through in WVU and SH as teams "below" UConn and it's even harder.
 

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There was a Georgia team a few years ago that got in with 16-17 wins total and they were under .500 in the SEC. They had the top SOS that year. I see UConn similarly this year. We have several top 50 wins, but no signature win. Beating the Orange would have been huge.
 
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There was a Georgia team a few years ago that got in with 16-17 wins total and they were under .500 in the SEC. They had the top SOS that year. I see UConn similarly this year. We have several top 50 wins, but no signature win. Beating the Orange would have been huge.

I'm pretty sure that Georgia team won the SEC tourney. I do agree with your premise though.

We need 2 more wins.
 
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