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Olddude has opened one very interesting thread on the Brave New World in WBB on “position-less” basketball until it got into an extended discussion of the unwatchable NBA and gold2323 on the Wild Wild West of free one-time transfers. These are just a couple of the changes are transforming the game.

The past season saw the pandemic, practicing in pods, games postponed and cancelled, and games played in empty gyms. Presumably we will not be faced with such disruptions in the future, but as we speak, the basketball landscape is rapidly changing and whether or not for the better remains to be seen. Two changes have already occurred and a third on the horizon are likely to make the sport a much different one than we have known and loved. These merit serious discussion. The turmoil of the post-season with transfers and coaching changes seem to be a reflection in no small part to these transformations.

The first major upheaval is no cost transfers that have resulted in a vast increase in players doing so. UConn in less than a month has seen two leaving and one arriving. Unfortunately, many of those seeking a change in basketball address may not come out ahead and will regret the dream of greener pastures. One can expect a lot more rent-a-key-player squads similar to that of Baylor in recent years. The new transfer regulations could well have been a major factor in Kim Mulkey’s decision to leave Baylor and go to LSU. Teams will be able to reload immediately and this should help ensure that the traditional powers remain dominant as quality players from lesser conferences migrate to bigger ones. To be sure, the inconsistent policies of the NCAA caused a great many headaches and immediate transfer benefits players, but I don’t believe that a Wild West atmosphere in which players move seemingly at will helps the game, but I am old fashioned. I still do not like the designated hitter.

The second major change is the decision of the NCAA to grant all those who suited up this past season another year of eligibility. This makes sense when one considers all the disruptions that have occurred due to postponements, cancellations, and a season in quarantine. It will, however, change the game with a good many players taking advantage of this benefit. Ali Patberg will return to Indiana for her 7th season of college basketball and a number of other teams will be stronger by having 5th year players on their teams. Those like Dorka Juhasz will have two years more of eligibility. This effect will last for 4 years.

The third major change expected relatively soon is to allow athletes to gain economic advantage from their celebrity without losing their amateur status. Considering the greed of the NCAA and its vast wealth being built upon the backs of athletes, such a policy change is not undeserved. However, if one examines the packages players with a full scholarship receive and one adds what they get with transportation, meals, travel, etc., the average Division 1 basketball and football player receives benefits that are worth more than the average salary of American workers. My rough guesstimate is that for many the package is worth close to $75,000 and with no college loans to repay. This is not chicken feed and for the vast majority that never have a pro career, the advantages accrued by a free college degree last a lifetime. Statistics show that those with college degrees earn on average hundreds of thousands more than those without one and college athletes have additional advantages of having played on a team sport and the recognition that goes with it. The economic benefits of a new policy will, however, likely be limited to the few like a Paige Bueckers and for every Bueckers there will be scores who do not receive a dime. And, what forms will this new policy take? For example, one sees Geno Auriemma on TV but, as a state employee, he cannot mention UConn or wear any university gear. Can a player tout a new car or the latest nutritional supplement, wear gear like race drivers and golfers, or be limited to ads on one’s social media? Will athletes take on behaviors that will increase their marketability and what effect might this have on team performance? Will those who do not receive any of these benefits resent those who do and what effects might this have? Pay for play for college athletes is probably the future, but not one that this lifelong fan looks forward to seeing.
 
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To understand the future, maybe we need to look at the past. Back when I was in college, during the Dark Ages, there was no 3-pt line and freshmen were not eligible to play varsity ball. There was even a 10-year ban on dunking in college basketball: the so-called “Lew Alcindor” rule.

Through the years players have gotten bigger, stronger, more athletic and far more skilled. The game has grown significantly both among young girls and internationally.

In the end, the best coaches will adapt to positionless basketball, liberal transfer rules and NIL compensation for players, just as they adapted to the 3-pt shot, freshman eligibility and other changes to the game. The coaches who cannot adapt will go the way of the dinosaurs.
 
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Saying you didn’t like the DH tells me a lot about your perspective. Change happens, sometimes for better and sometimes for worse; those who are willing to adapt usually end up with an advantage. Keep in mind that for every scholarship a college awards, it has the ability to admit two full paying students to offset the cost. The student in turn can’t use that to help their parents with rent, food, transportation, etc. like someone who has an actual 75,000 salary. College athletes earn millions for their institutions and make some of their coaches millionaires; allowing them to also profit from their contributions seems like a no brainer. In regard to transfers; no sane person thinks indentured servitude is a good idea. If it makes a coaches job harder and bothers some faithful fans, so be it.
 
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The changes that are coming to the game are mostly for the good. If you look at the Women's tournament games ( Elite 8/ FF) they devolved into "physical" games that looked more like rugby than basketball. The only way a non skilled player can play against a skilled player is to foul them and hope it doesn't get called.
Geno said, in his last podcast, that "role" players will see diminished time as each player on the floor needs to be able to score the basket that is deemed to be the shot the offense is trying to get them. If you are post player, shots around the basket need to be made. If you are guard, open threes need to be taken and made. If the "scout" on your team is that you don't need to be guarded ( because of poor shooting) then it gums up the works for your team mates, as help defense can easily be given.
Geno is not ready to go to 1 IN 4 Out model yet, as he sees the passing and sharing the ball as a way to get his highly touted recruits playing together. He see's his best players sill getting 35 shots per game.
As for transfers, every great player needs exposure. Uconn gets them exposure (as 13 straight FF4s attest to). There is no doubt , that great players that are not getting exposure, because they are playing in a weak league or for a bad team, are going to jump to programs that will get that for them.
When Ray Allen left Uconn, Jim Calhoun was asked if that was a smart move. He said yes, as Ray couldn't even afford one of his own jerseys sold in the mall. At the very least, players should be paid any income generated off their image or name.
 
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“As for transfers, every great player needs exposure. Uconn gets them exposure (as 13 straight FF4s attest to). There is no doubt , that great players that are not getting exposure, because they are playing in a weak league or for a bad team, are going to jump to programs that will get that for them.”
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UCONN gets some players exposure. Not all. There will be players on the team next season who are as good, if not better, than the players you mention who are on weak teams. As we have already seen, UCONN will not be immune to portalization as players hope for exposure that will bring them to the next level. No matter who your favorite team is, if you’re writing down the roster.....do it in pencil.
 
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“As for transfers, every great player needs exposure. Uconn gets them exposure (as 13 straight FF4s attest to). There is no doubt , that great players that are not getting exposure, because they are playing in a weak league or for a bad team, are going to jump to programs that will get that for them.”
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UCONN gets some players exposure. Not all. There will be players on the team next season who are as good, if not better, than the players you mention who are on weak teams. As we have already seen, UCONN will not be immune to portalization as players hope for exposure that will bring them to the next level. No matter who your favorite team is, if you’re writing down the roster.....do it in pencil.
Let’s keep in mind that this is a one-time transfer rule. Things will be a lot calmer next season and even calmer the season after that.
 
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Court cases are popping up, and the decisions forthcoming will also have potential impact on the game, some not yet anticipated. If the general slant is toward empowering players who have been allegedly disadvantaged, then changes such as reimbursement are likely--even inevitable. I wonder where the dividing line will become between professionalism and amateurism. Other so-called amateur sports have become fully professional. Now what?
 

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Then that should apply to every student in every college that has a scholarship. Why should this just apply to athletes? Remember though, all of these high profile college athletes run the risk every game and every practice of injury which would prevent them from ever playing again and earning a dime at their studied profession. How many non athletes in other fields can say that? Colleges don't "lose" money from athletic scholarships, they just don't gain that money. For the most part colleges easily make up that "loss" through sports revenues and merchandise sales. Sales which they would never have made without these athletes.
 
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I don’t have a clue where this is all headed. The reality of it all is that many institutions, and the coaches in “amateur” sports are making millions of dollars off of “amateur” players. There will be change.
 

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Olddude has opened one very interesting thread on the Brave New World in WBB on “position-less” basketball until it got into an extended discussion of the unwatchable NBA and gold2323 on the Wild Wild West of free one-time transfers. These are just a couple of the changes are transforming the game.

The past season saw the pandemic, practicing in pods, games postponed and cancelled, and games played in empty gyms. Presumably we will not be faced with such disruptions in the future, but as we speak, the basketball landscape is rapidly changing and whether or not for the better remains to be seen. Two changes have already occurred and a third on the horizon are likely to make the sport a much different one than we have known and loved. These merit serious discussion. The turmoil of the post-season with transfers and coaching changes seem to be a reflection in no small part to these transformations.

The first major upheaval is no cost transfers that have resulted in a vast increase in players doing so. UConn in less than a month has seen two leaving and one arriving. Unfortunately, many of those seeking a change in basketball address may not come out ahead and will regret the dream of greener pastures. One can expect a lot more rent-a-key-player squads similar to that of Baylor in recent years. The new transfer regulations could well have been a major factor in Kim Mulkey’s decision to leave Baylor and go to LSU. Teams will be able to reload immediately and this should help ensure that the traditional powers remain dominant as quality players from lesser conferences migrate to bigger ones. To be sure, the inconsistent policies of the NCAA caused a great many headaches and immediate transfer benefits players, but I don’t believe that a Wild West atmosphere in which players move seemingly at will helps the game, but I am old fashioned. I still do not like the designated hitter.

The second major change is the decision of the NCAA to grant all those who suited up this past season another year of eligibility. This makes sense when one considers all the disruptions that have occurred due to postponements, cancellations, and a season in quarantine. It will, however, change the game with a good many players taking advantage of this benefit. Ali Patberg will return to Indiana for her 7th season of college basketball and a number of other teams will be stronger by having 5th year players on their teams. Those like Dorka Juhasz will have two years more of eligibility. This effect will last for 4 years.

The third major change expected relatively soon is to allow athletes to gain economic advantage from their celebrity without losing their amateur status. Considering the greed of the NCAA and its vast wealth being built upon the backs of athletes, such a policy change is not undeserved. However, if one examines the packages players with a full scholarship receive and one adds what they get with transportation, meals, travel, etc., the average Division 1 basketball and football player receives benefits that are worth more than the average salary of American workers. My rough guesstimate is that for many the package is worth close to $75,000 and with no college loans to repay. This is not chicken feed and for the vast majority that never have a pro career, the advantages accrued by a free college degree last a lifetime. Statistics show that those with college degrees earn on average hundreds of thousands more than those without one and college athletes have additional advantages of having played on a team sport and the recognition that goes with it. The economic benefits of a new policy will, however, likely be limited to the few like a Paige Bueckers and for every Bueckers there will be scores who do not receive a dime. And, what forms will this new policy take? For example, one sees Geno Auriemma on TV but, as a state employee, he cannot mention UConn or wear any university gear. Can a player tout a new car or the latest nutritional supplement, wear gear like race drivers and golfers, or be limited to ads on one’s social media? Will athletes take on behaviors that will increase their marketability and what effect might this have on team performance? Will those who do not receive any of these benefits resent those who do and what effects might this have? Pay for play for college athletes is probably the future, but not one that this lifelong fan looks forward to seeing.
I hear you on the DH in baseball. It’s almost as bad as not giving a pitcher credit for a 7 inning no-hitter. All of the other stats in that game last week counted, and is recognized by MLB and the Elias Sports Bureau, but not the no hitter because it was not a traditional 9 inning affair. Ridiculous. Lots of interesting observations and topics for discussion over the summer.
 
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. . . but not the no hitter because it was not a traditional 9 inning affair. Ridiculous. . . .
Let's say Chris Sale pitches a no hitter through 5 innings and the Sox are leading
after five. Then the rains come, and it's impossible to resume the game. Since it
went the minimum 5 innings, it's an official game. Sox win. Would it be "ridiculous"
if Sale wasn't credited with a no hitter? Just asking.
 
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Let's say Chris Sale pitches a no hitter through 5 innings and the Sox are leading
after five. Then the rains come, and it's impossible to resume the game. Since it
went the minimum 5 innings, it's an official game. Sox win. Would it be "ridiculous"
if Sale wasn't credited with a no hitter? Just asking.
Let’s not digress on something so important. Whether there should be a DH or if no hitters should count has nothing to do with this.
 
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I hear you on the DH in baseball. It’s almost as bad as not giving a pitcher credit for a 7 inning no-hitter. All of the other stats in that game last week counted, and is recognized by MLB and the Elias Sports Bureau, but not the no hitter because it was not a traditional 9 inning affair. Ridiculous. Lots of interesting observations and topics for discussion over the summer.
Would you get credit for a complete game or shutout? There have also been 8 inning no-hitters where the visiting team's pitcher goes the distance but loses.
 

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Would you get credit for a complete game or shutout? There have also been 8 inning no-hitters where the visiting team's pitcher goes the distance but loses.
Yes. The league set the duration of the game. A 7 inning double header game counts in the standings as a win or loss. ALL of the statistics generated in that game count. Put an asterisk next to the no hitter if you want, but don’t penalize the pitcher because the game was only 7 innings.

I don’t watch or follow MLB anymore. I have no dog in the race. Kornheiser and Wilbon discussed it recently on PTI. Wilbon is of the same opinion I am.
 

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