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triaddukefan said:
I would love to see a UCONN-Nebraska regional final and a Tenn-Louisville regional final. I know Lincoln would be sold out.... Louisville probably as well. Notre Dame vs South Carolina would be an intriguing regional final.. and a Duke vs Hampton or Texas Southern regional final in Palo Alto would be great for the sport as well.
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You slickster, you. Trying to slip Duke/ Hampton in on us. I see what you did there.
 
Not sure about your first three regionals, but I sure think you nailed the fourth one, Triad!
 
UcMiami said:
Not sure about your first three regionals, but I sure think you nailed the fourth one, Triad!
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:p

It would be fun to see a cinderella squad make a run to the Regional Final or Final 4. Other than SW Mo State in the Final 4 in 2001.... and Gonzaga in the Regional Final a few years back.... I cant recall a similar run since Western Kentucky in the early 90s...
 
triaddukefan said:
:p

It would be fun to see a cinderella squad make a run to the Regional Final or Final 4. Other than SW Mo State in the Final 4 in 2001.... and Gonzaga in the Regional Final a few years back.... I cant recall a similar run since Western Kentucky in the early 90s...
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Arkansas as a #9 seed made it to the F4 in 98.
Lowest seed ever.
 
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Icebear said:
"The committee will attempt to assign each team to a geographically compatible regional and first/second-round site, by order of the S curve. When multiple teams are a similar distance from a site, the team seeded higher in the s-curve will be assigned to the closest geographical proximity site."

Now we get into the kind of hairiness one finds in the applications section of the Rules of Golf.

What is the interaction between the first and second sentences under the new rule allowing hosting schools to play at their own site? Rebecca certainly was giving higher weight to the first sentence and it's "will attempt" over the second sentences "will."
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I would go further and say that the rule is inoperative this year because in the first sentence it refers to "regional" sites, something that was abandoned this year. There are no regional sites. If the rule was valid in all cases they would have used the phrase"3rd & 4th rounds". This isn't a great rationale but it's sufficient for the committee to ignore it if they so choose.

That's all I have to say. This discussion reminds me too much of my former employment in a contract office where I sat through 3 hour meetings debating whether there should be a comma in a sentence.
 
Alydar said:
I would go further and say that the rule is inoperative this year because in the first sentence it refers to "regional" sites, something that was abandoned this year. There are no regional sites. If the rule was valid in all cases they would have used the phrase"3rd & 4th rounds". This isn't a great rationale but it's sufficient for the committee to ignore it if they so choose.

That's all I have to say. This discussion reminds me too much of my former employment in a contract office where I sat through 3 hour meetings debating whether there should be a comma in a sentence.
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You should read golf rulings.
 
triaddukefan said:
For obvious reasons that had escaped my mind :oops: Thanks for bringing it up :rolleyes:
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Ha had forgotten. It served the greater good. No doubt it gave them the determination to come back the next year and knock out a certain evil team in the Elite 8.
 
triaddukefan said:
For obvious reasons that had escaped my mind :oops: Thanks for bringing it up :rolleyes:
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Yes - I can see it now ... your wish comes true, Duke meets Hampton in the West regional final for a chance to go to the FF ... and in a stunning upset Hampton has a sixty point second half hitting 20 or 23 three point shots they attempt, erasing the 20 point halftime deficit and adding yet more to your list of 'if only's' with the lament 'why couldn't we have been sent to Lincoln or South Bend' which turned into cake walks when ND was ousted in the second round and Uconn lasted only to the sweet sixteen.' Meaning that your loss, while devastating, doesn't even rise to the second or third most shocking upset in tournament history!:eek:
 
triaddukefan said:
:p

It would be fun to see a cinderella squad make a run to the Regional Final or Final 4. Other than SW Mo State in the Final 4 in 2001.... and Gonzaga in the Regional Final a few years back.... I cant recall a similar run since Western Kentucky in the early 90s...
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I loved my McCarville/Whalen Gophers way back about 13-14 years ago...
 
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Wbbfan1 said:
http://espn.go.com/ncw/bracketology

Charlie is saying since UConn to Louisville has been talked about and most are against it, Committee will send UConn to Lincoln to avoid the media/fan outrage. http://espn.go.com/womens-college-b...ecticut-huskies-placement-louisville-regional


Stanford still the easiest bracket. IMHO the Louisville bracket is the toughest bracket.
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I HOPE UCONN does o go to Lincoln. Enough with Louisville already. Send Tenn there as the Number one if you must. That might be a good game.
 
vowelguy said:
I meant what changed to cause him to suddenly move UConn to Lincoln. Nothing. The guy just admitted he doesn't know what he's doing.
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OR the utility of making the prediction is waning and he wanted to correct it before the actually selection.
 
UConn should be placed in Lincoln. And Louisville should be made a #1 seed. Three(3) of Louisville's four(4) losses have been to the Number 1 team in the country. Why should they be punished for that. They have still won 30 games.
 
Can the committee change which regionals are located on the same side of the bracket? I think it would be in the best interest of the committee, in terms of fan interest, to have a potential UCONN- TENNESSEE matchup in the semi-final, followed by a UCONN-NOTRE DAME matchup for the national championship. Restoring two of the best rivalries in the women's game should peak the interest of many fans and make for quite the exciting FF in Nashville.
 
Rblack335 said:
Can the committee change which regionals are located on the same side of the bracket?
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The final four matchups are NOT determined yet. Creme's bracket does not predict how that bracket will look.
 
rjuconn said:
I loved my McCarville/Whalen Gophers way back about 13-14 years ago...
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mad daffy.jpg


2004 and I didnt love it
 
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Dobbs Rover2- - I'm sorry I'm COMPUTER ILLITERATE, what is SCREEN CAPTURE?
Back in 2005 I had Baylor beating Michigan St. in FF with TN and LSU but another guy picked the exact finals score so he won the bracket challenge contest! I haven't come close since!
Icebear my bad! I meant to add L'ville #1 in L'ville and Baylor or WVU winner in Stanford!
 
RSHERMVIKES said:
Dobbs Rover2- - I'm sorry I'm COMPUTER ILLITERATE, what is SCREEN CAPTURE?
Back in 2005 I had Baylor beating Michigan St. in FF with TN and LSU but another guy picked the exact finals score so he won the bracket challenge contest! I haven't come close since!
Icebear my bad! I meant to add L'ville #1 in L'ville and Baylor or WVU winner in Stanford!
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Usually there is a key on your keyboard called PrtSc or PrtScrn that whether by pressing it or possibly pressing the Alt and PrtSc keys at the same time will take a picture of the screen. You can then use the Ctrl-C keys to paste the captured image into a document that you can print.

Sometimes on older systems the Shift-F8 combo also took a screen capture.

There are also cool screen capture programs like MWSnap that you can download for free and that allows you options for what you want to take a picture of.
 
Icebear said:
You should read golf rulings.
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Actually, I have read golf rules. I'm amazed at how a pretty short and straightforward pamphlet-like pocket book can generate a bible- sized book of decisions. My knees have kept me off the course for a while but I was a pretty good rules guy.
 
HGN said:
UConn should be placed in Lincoln. And Louisville should be made a #1 seed. Three(3) of Louisville's four(4) losses have been to the Number 1 team in the country. Why should they be punished for that. They have still won 30 games.
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You're right , there hasn't been enough emphasis on this. Why should they suffer because they play in the conference with the best team and had to play them 3 times?
 
HGN said:
UConn should be placed in Lincoln. And Louisville should be made a #1 seed. Three(3) of Louisville's four(4) losses have been to the Number 1 team in the country. Why should they be punished for that. They have still won 30 games.
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Apparently they don't have enough "good" wins. Many of the posters here want to sweep aside all their teams' inconvenient bad losses and just focus on all the 25-50 so-so teams their heroines beat. Since Louisville only had USF and Rutgers in that category in their conference (cue the vocal guy espousing the RPI and how the Bulls and Knights are in the 50s there), the Cards didn't pile up a lot of wins against bad teams who puffed up their resumes by playing all the OOC games at home against mediocrities.

So yes, the Cards too are doooooooooooooooomed.
 
Blueballer said:
You're right , there hasn't been enough emphasis on this. Why should they suffer because they play in the conference with the best team and had to play them 3 times?
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The argument against them has nothing to do with their losses to UConn.
It has to do with their lack of quality wins. Their "best" win is over LSU -- a team projected as a #8 seed.

So a better question: what evidence do we have that they can beat a #1,2,3,4,5,6, or even 7 seed? They didn't do it in their first 30 games.
Another question: why should other teams suffer when they actually beat some good teams?
 
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rjuconn said:
I loved my McCarville/Whalen Gophers way back about 13-14 years ago...
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2004.
#7 seed.
They were somewhat artificially low, hurt by the mid-season injury to Whalen, which caused them to lose more games than they would have otherwise.
 
And of course why should teams suffer any drop in the seeding potential for losing to teams out in the 60s, 70s, and 80s rankings? Why of course they just didn't happen, I guess.

Love how the RPI-guys just want to play up all the mediocre SEC conference wins and ignore all the poor home losses or act like a Stanford loss to Washington means nothing. No, Louisville didn't get a chance to play the SEC conference schedule, but they certainly always won the game when they when the were facing an LSU at home or a Washington on the road.
 
vowelguy said:
I meant what changed to cause him to suddenly move UConn to Lincoln. Nothing. The guy just admitted he doesn't know what he's doing.
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The brackets he puts out are not his opinion: they're just his attempt to predict the actions of the actual committee. He now feels that the publicity will affect the actions of the committe as they have in the past, so hence his change. He's not trying to come up with a bracket that he thinks is best, but the one based on the committee's rules and past actions.
 
Phil said:
As I pointed out yesterday, if they haven't changed the rules (and there is no indication they have changed them) then applying the rules , subject to the override of the agreements to allow regional hosts to play at home and a literal application of the rules sends UConn to ND.

The point of this argument, as an astute fan picked up on when I ran it past her last night, isn't that the committee will send UConn to ND, but that they won't which means they must have some flexibility. And if they do have flexibility, they do not HAVE to send UConn to Louisville.

It frees them up to apply the underlying principles.

The original decision to emphasize geography was to concede that economics trumped the S-curve. As Charlie points out, the decision to allow teams to host was a further nod to economics. The rules aren't pure economics, they still want to give preference to teams who have earned the top positions in the list, but when sites were neutral, given that preference was almost equivalent to sending teams to the closest venue. They didn't literally want to say, Top seed, where would you like to play", but given neutral locations, sending the top four teams to the closest locations, in order, was effectively the selection committee granting that option.

They missed that the best available option changes a lot when the regionals are not neutral. So, rather than slavishly send to the closest option, they can choose the underlying goal of sending the top four seeds, in order, tot he site most desirable to them. One minor nice aspect is that you do not even have to debate whether UConn or ND is number one. Either order, they would choose the same things.

They still have to deal with 2 seeds, and whether location or match ups should reign, but for the top seeds, I think Charlie has sussed out how the committee will think.
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I really wouldn't mind denying ND a trip to the final Four (and spoiling their undefeated season), on their home court, but I'm not sure 3 refs can be found to call a fair game there.
 
This selection show will be one of the more interesting ones in recent memory. Creme is usually accurate with his top seed selections, but after that, not so much. It's fun to look at though.

As far as a potential Tennessee Louisville matchup, I would welcome it. Maybe we could avenge a tough loss from last year. That's even if we make it that far. Going strictly by cremes bracket, there are teams that would be capable of beating Tennessee and Louisville
 
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