Bootleg's 2012 Graduation Rate Analysis

[B1GEast]

Uconn Basketball 25%. Ouch. I know that's kids going to the NBA and transferring, but on paper it still looks bad.

http://stanford.scout.com/2/1183346.html

Basketball Graduation Rates: Big East
Villanova 100%
Notre Dame 100%
Marquette 91%
St. John's 83%
West Virginia 83%
DePaul 80%
Rutgers 75%
Georgetown 70%
Seton Hall 69%
Providence 67%
Pittsburgh 64%
Cincinnati 56%
Louisville 56%
Syracuse 54%
South Florida 44%
Connecticut 25%

For the sixth straight year, Connecticut has the worst basketball graduation rate in the Big East. Connecticut's failure to qualify academically for next year's NCAA tournament shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone who has been following The Bootleg's annual graduation rate reports. The Connecticut basketball program's graduation record has been terrible, year after year.

 

[freescooter]

It is a disgrace. And it is one of the things that makes it hard to generate ANY sympathy for UCONN in the APR matter either from the NCAA itself or from commentators or the general public.

 

[Letsgohuskies11]

Hard to have good graduation rate when you have no seniors on the team except walk ons

 

[EricLA]

Hard to have good graduation rate when you have no seniors on the team except walk ons

i didn't realize it was that bad. i know we have a lot of guys in the NBA who leave early, but it seems like it shouldn't be that bad. i guess when you factor in the transfers too, only 1 in 4 kids who comes to UCONN to be on the hoops team actually graduates.

 

[Dann]

lol at this. grad rates matter at schools that aren't playing big boy bball. the real question here is wtf usf was doing. besides that the bottom 5 are exactly who they should be, the actual bball schools that matter(yes i just pitt in that).

i want to know post graduation at marq who grads 90% how much those kids made working in the real world the rest of there lives. meanwhile uconn has 15 guys making cash in the nba becuase they left a year early. what a joke, grad rates are stupid. the ppl who brag about them are the fans with programs that suck balls and pride themselevs as if there ivy. how are uk's or unc's grad rates? all there players go early also.

grad rates are for schools that keep kids 4 years and play for and giggles. thats not what we play 4. we play for ships, for glory and for making ourselves a pro factoty. apr on the other hand is something that needs to be adressed and has been. keeping kids on track is fair becuase it means that kids are actually going to class and if they are they don't hurt that stat. simple. leaving early doesn't hurt apr if the kids are doing things right. with a couple tweaks the apr is a good tool. now the retroactive punishment is a different thing...

in summary this thing is stupid. would you rather have 5 craig austries and 5 chucks the next 4 years or would you rather have a kemba, a caron, a craig, chuck, jake, rudy, ben, Jamal Coombs-McDaniel, wiggins, dyson. i'll take the 2nd one knowing that some leave, some grad, soem go pro and we actually win some dam games instead of look like bcu in the 1st.

you want to know why rutgers fball pumps there great grad rates, pimps them out...becuase they havn't won anything in 100 years. thats why.

 

[StongingtonBob]

For the sixth straight year, Connecticut has the worst basketball graduation rate in the Big East.

Tied for worst in all BCS conferences schools!

 

[freescooter]

lol at this. grad rates matter at schools that aren't playing big boy bball. the real question here is wtf usf was doing. besides that the bottom 5 are exactly who they should be, the actual bball schools that matter(yes i just pitt in that).

i want to know post graduation at marq who grads 90% how much those kids made working in the real world the rest of there lives. meanwhile uconn has 15 guys making cash in the nba becuase they left a year early. what a joke, grad rates are stupid. the ppl who brag about them are the fans with programs that suck balls and pride themselevs as if there ivy. how are uk's or unc's grad rates? all there players go early also.

grad rates are for schools that keep kids 4 years and play for ****s and giggles. thats not what we play 4. we play for ships, for glory and for making ourselves a pro factoty. apr on the other hand is something that needs to be adressed and has been. keeping kids on track is fair becuase it means that kids are actually going to class and if they are they don't hurt that stat. simple. leaving early doesn't hurt apr if the kids are doing things right. with a couple tweaks the apr is a good tool. now the retroactive punishment is a different thing...

in summary this thing is stupid. would you rather have 5 craig austries and 5 chucks the next 4 years or would you rather have a kemba, a caron, a craig, chuck, jake, rudy, ben, Jamal Coombs-McDaniel, wiggins, dyson. i'll take the 2nd one knowing that some leave, some grad, soem go pro and we actually win some dam games instead of look like bcu in the 1st.

you want to know why rutgers fball pumps there great grad rates, pimps them out...becuase they havn't won anything in 100 years. thats why.

Aside from the fact that kansas is in the first group, and every major power and semi-power is higher than UCONN, that's a nice rant. And it would be something else if we had lots of guys leaving for the NBA. They're not. Yeah, we have a few, but that doesn't account for the 25% rate...And do you know what the average D-league salary is, that theguys who don't go directly to the NBA, and may never do so, earn? How's between $12 and $24,000 sound? UCONN might have 15 guys in the NBA, over how many years I don't know, but that in no way is 75% of the guys who came through here during the same period.

 

[upstater]

Uconn Basketball 25%. Ouch. I know that's kids going to the NBA and transferring, but on paper it still looks bad.

http://stanford.scout.com/2/1183346.html

Basketball Graduation Rates: Big East
Villanova 100%
Notre Dame 100%
Marquette 91%
St. John's 83%
West Virginia 83%
DePaul 80%
Rutgers 75%
Georgetown 70%
Seton Hall 69%
Providence 67%
Pittsburgh 64%
Cincinnati 56%
Louisville 56%
Syracuse 54%
South Florida 44%
Connecticut 25%

For the sixth straight year, Connecticut has the worst basketball graduation rate in the Big East. Connecticut's failure to qualify academically for next year's NCAA tournament shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone who has been following The Bootleg's annual graduation rate reports. The Connecticut basketball program's graduation record has been terrible, year after year.

Sigh

Please look up what the GSR is. it has hardly anything to do with graduation.

 

[upstater]

It is a disgrace. And it is one of the things that makes it hard to generate ANY sympathy for UCONN in the APR matter either from the NCAA itself or from commentators or the general public.

What!!?!?! The GSR is worse than the APR!! Look it up. You guys get way too worked up over bogus stats.

 

[upstater]

i didn't realize it was that bad. i know we have a lot of guys in the NBA who leave early, but it seems like it shouldn't be that bad. i guess when you factor in the transfers too, only 1 in 4 kids who comes to UCONN to be on the hoops team actually graduates.

The GSR doesn't include kids who left for the NBA nor kids who transferred with a 2.6 gpa. In other words, the GSR does not gauge your graduation rates. Graduate success rate is a misnomer.

 

[Dann]

Aside from the fact that kansas is in the first group, and every major power and semi-power is higher than UCONN, that's a nice rant. And it would be something else if we had lots of guys leaving for the NBA. They're not. Yeah, we have a few, but that doesn't account for the 25% rate...And do you know what the average D-league salary is, that theguys who don't go directly to the NBA, and may never do so, earn? How's between $12 and $24,000 sound? UCONN might have 15 guys in the NBA, over how many years I don't know, but that in no way is 75% of the guys who came through here during the same period.

4 guys comes in. 1 goes pro, 2 transfer and 1 grads. is that what the past 5 years have been basically? ok then once those 2 transfer they aren't ours. so the 2 guys that ment something for the program either blew up and went nba or they grad. the numbers are not worth jack .

 

[Frank Ivy]

Of course, if they did a "NBA graduation rate" table we'd lead the Big East and be among the top in the nation.
Let's call that the "PPR" - Pro Progress Rate.

 

[upstater]

4 guys comes in. 1 goes pro, 2 transfer and 1 grads. is that what the past 5 years have been basically? ok then once those 2 transfer they aren't ours. so the 2 guys that ment something for the program either blew up and went nba or they grad. the numbers are not worth jack ****.

Again, transfers don't count, players going pro don't count. The grad success rate is not a measure of your graduation rates, so the bootleg person using very specious arguments to say that one can compare federal grad rates to the GSR. You can't. The GSR excludes players who transfer or go pro.

In other words, the GSR is among the silliest stats known to man.

 

[Dann]

Again, transfers don't count, players going pro don't count. The grad success rate is not a measure of your graduation rates, so the bootleg person using very specious arguments to say that one can compare federal grad rates to the GSR. You can't. The GSR excludes players who transfer or go pro.

In other words, the GSR is among the silliest stats known to man.

its all good upstater, i'm just going to keep asking questions like tose and pointing out things that are not true and causing arguments. ignore me, i've been on a bball board rant of late for kicks. these #'s dont mean anything. are you goign to the psu thing in hartford?

 

[johnhuskies95]

Out of the last 28 players who have come to UConn out of high school, 8 have stayed for 4 years. Think about that.

And the percentage of 4 year guys after the next few years will be even lower with the exodus after last year.

Rashad Anderson, Denham Brown, Hilton Armstrong, Jeff Adrien, Craig Austrie, Jerome Dyson, Gavin Edwards, Donnell Beverly. That's the list. That's it. And what, 6 of those players graduated?

I didn't include Mandeldove because who knows what happened there.

 

[upstater]

its all good upstater, i'm just going to keep asking questions like tose and pointing out things that are not true and causing arguments. ignore me, i've been on a bball board rant of late for kicks. these #'s dont mean anything. are you goign to the psu thing in hartford?

PSU thing? I don't know what it is, but honestly, I only go to games anyway when I can, so even if I knew, I wouldn't go.

 

[Dann]

PSU thing? I don't know what it is, but honestly, I only go to games anyway when I can, so even if I knew, I wouldn't go.

the psu caravan is stoping in hartford this weekend.

 

[Ricky1Moore]

This is just stupidly misleading

Uconn Basketball 25%. Ouch. I know that's kids going to the NBA and transferring, but on paper it still looks bad.

http://stanford.scout.com/2/1183346.html

Basketball Graduation Rates: Big East
Villanova 100%
Notre Dame 100%
Marquette 91%
St. John's 83%
West Virginia 83%
DePaul 80%
Rutgers 75%
Georgetown 70%
Seton Hall 69%
Providence 67%
Pittsburgh 64%
Cincinnati 56%
Louisville 56%
Syracuse 54%
South Florida 44%
Connecticut 25%

For the sixth straight year, Connecticut has the worst basketball graduation rate in the Big East. Connecticut's failure to qualify academically for next year's NCAA tournament shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone who has been following The Bootleg's annual graduation rate reports. The Connecticut basketball program's graduation record has been terrible, year after year.

 

[B1GEast]

This is just stupidly misleading

You should email Stanford Scout

 

[Huskymaniac]

Tied for worst in all BCS conferences schools!

John, what are you going to do about this tool?

Look, even with our post-season ban and our bad graduation rates and our retiring coach and our massive cheating to get the great Miles kid to come to UConn, we are STILL out-recruiting umess and STILL have a brighter future. And I don't particularly like our recruits or our near-term future if Ollie takes over. But it is still better than what uass has. And we still have won three national championships and have gone to four final fours in the last 14 seasons and we have still beaten umess 29 of the last 30 times. When anyone asks a umess fan what their best moment has been since the squid left, many, if not most, point to that one meaningless win against UConn in a game that didn't matter much at all in the grand scheme of things. That's what you got for being a uass fan. No wonder you come here and act like such an insecure little .

 

[phillionaire]

Out of the last 28 players who have come to UConn out of high school, 8 have stayed for 4 years. Think about that.

And the percentage of 4 year guys after the next few years will be even lower with the exodus after last year.

Rashad Anderson, Denham Brown, Hilton Armstrong, Jeff Adrien, Craig Austrie, Jerome Dyson, Gavin Edwards, Donnell Beverly. That's the list. That's it. And what, 6 of those players graduated?

I didn't include Mandeldove because who knows what happened there.

aj price?

 

[freescooter]

You know what upstater, it may well be true that these numbers aren't great, but they and the APR numbers and pretty much any other numbers you want to run out there show a program that has serious problems. It suggests that UCONN basketball ceased seeing itself as having any relationship with the academic world at all...Guys transfer by the dozens. The guys who stay don't graduate. they don't even fishish that semester's coursework. The academic side of this thing needs to be totally blown up, and to do that I suspect the basketball side does as well. Perhaps it is good tht Calhoun is retirin gwithin the next two years. Bring in someone who takes the academic side at least modestly seriously.

 

[upstater]

You should email Stanford Scout

no need to email them, they explain how stupid they are at the bottom of the link.

 

[upstater]

You know what upstater, it may well be true that these numbers aren't great, but they and the APR numbers and pretty much any other numbers you want to run out there show a program that has serious problems. It suggests that UCONN basketball ceased seeing itself as having any relationship with the academic world at all...Guys transfer by the dozens. The guys who stay don't graduate. they don't even fishish that semester's coursework. The academic side of this thing needs to be totally blown up, and to do that I suspect the basketball side does as well. Perhaps it is good tht Calhoun is retirin gwithin the next two years. Bring in someone who takes the academic side at least modestly seriously.

Wrong. The numbers don't show anything of the sort. Look at the GSR again, and then come back to me. You're complaining about college sports in general.

if someone actually takes the academic side seriously, UConn will very likely never again see a postseason tourney. if you take academics seriously, then you have to totally ignore APR, you have to get rid of fluff intersession course, you have to make sure your players are taking the difficult courses they need to proceed toward a degree.

You're buying the bogus GSR numbers.

Let me show you something.

I'm Kentucky over a 4 year period: 11 players go pro in their freshman year, one player transfers, one graduates.

What is my GSR? 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What's my federal grad rate: 7%

The fact that the NCAA turns a 7% rate into a 100% rate is laughable.

Even more ridiculous is the idea that the Stanford Scout people would then even compare a school's 100% rate to that school's fed rate for the gen. population.

See how great Calipari is, he graduates his kids at a 100% rate for a school in which the general grad rate is 50% (just my guess)!

This is what the NCA wants you to believe and suckers fall for it.

 

[johnhuskies95]

You know what upstater, it may well be true that these numbers aren't great, but they and the APR numbers and pretty much any other numbers you want to run out there show a program that has serious problems. It suggests that UCONN basketball ceased seeing itself as having any relationship with the academic world at all...Guys transfer by the dozens. The guys who stay don't graduate. they don't even fishish that semester's coursework. The academic side of this thing needs to be totally blown up, and to do that I suspect the basketball side does as well. Perhaps it is good tht Calhoun is retirin gwithin the next two years. Bring in someone who takes the academic side at least modestly seriously.

What do you want them to do? Tie the kids down and make sure they stay until the end of the semester? Force them to go to class as seniors after the season is over?

These kids receive a ton of support and everything they need to succeed in school. They are old enough to do what they want. If a few don't want to put in the work after they're finished with the season then that's their prerogative. The coaching staff can't hold their hands forever.

Something tells me that if Calhoun had done what the coaches at SIU and WKU did where they didn't allow a kid to transfer without a 2.6 GPA, you would be hammering him for it. He can't win. You just wan't to complain.