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anyone catch this from Borges blog?

Elsewhere, we've read a few places that Jim Boeheim wasn't a proponent of UConn joining the ACC, and we've heard from a pretty good source that this is true. Also hearing that Boeheim has, at least in the past, related these feelings to a certain Coach K, with whom he's good buddies as an assistant on Team USA, and that the Duke coach likely wasn't on UConn's side in joining the conference, either.

http://borgesblognhr.blogspot.com/

guess they didnt want the extra loses.
 
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Makes no sense to me at all. I would've thought Boeheim would want to continue the rivalry, even if his AD and President disagree. He didn't even want to go to the ACC himself
 
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But they wanted Rick Pitino and Louisville? It appears Duke was a UConn proponent and Syracuse didn't have a vote.
 
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I'd be surprised if the strong academic schools in the ACC (UVA, duke, unc, wake) were pleased about louisvilles inclusion. Terrible academic school as we know, plus duke and unc have nothing to lose. They will land on their feet even if / when ACC implodes
 

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K was lobbying for more traditional eastern basketball powers when they grabbed Cuse and Pitt. I though he was referring to us, but maybe not.
 

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UConn and Louisville weren't mutually exclusive in terms of "support." UConn had a number of votes; most or all of those schools also voted for Louisville once it became clear that only Louisville could garner enough votes.

There's a lot of BS going around. Jurich has been leaking tons of stuff that writers are happily writing about; surprise, surprise, it makes Jurich look like the greatest AD in the history of college athletics.
 
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K and Calhoun are friends. Calhoun and Boeheim were always friends but i'm not sure I can trust Boeheim anymore.
 
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K and Calhoun are friends. Calhoun and Boeheim were always friends but i'm not sure I can trust Boeheim anymore.



Boeheim doesn't want the competition. He thinks he will own NYC recruiting again.
 

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UConn and Louisville weren't mutually exclusive in terms of "support." UConn had a number of votes; most or all of those schools also voted for Louisville once it became clear that only Louisville could garner enough votes.

There's a lot of BS going around. Jurich has been leaking tons of stuff that writers are happily writing about; surprise, surprise, it makes Jurich look like the greatest AD in the history of college athletics.
If those schools didn't want Louisville in why would they vote for them if all voted against them getting in then they wouldn't be in now
 

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I didn't say they didn't want Louisville in. It's possible they preferred UConn but didn't oppose Louisville.

I don't know what happened, obviously. But people are assuming that the schools were voting for either UConn or Louisville and I doubt that's how it went down. They probably did a straw poll to see who would oppose UConn and who would oppose Louisville, and there were some schools who preferred one but said they wouldn't stand in the way of the other. They may never have even gotten to a formal vote on UConn because it became clear early on that Louisville had more support. At that point, UVA and UNC weren't going to stop the inevitable.

All speculation on my part. But that's how you would get a school "supporting" both UConn and Louisville.
 

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The take away from the ACC vot is Conn has a perception problem. We need to be agressively marketing the school at every opportunity. Repeat something often enough and it becomes part of the collective narrative. That's how the Louisville's academic trend line became a selling point. Truth be told when you are at the bottem the only place you can go is up.
 
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I didn't say they didn't want Louisville in. It's possible they preferred UConn but didn't oppose Louisville.

I don't know what happened, obviously. But people are assuming that the schools were voting for either UConn or Louisville and I doubt that's how it went down. They probably did a straw poll to see who would oppose UConn and who would oppose Louisville, and there were some schools who preferred one but said they wouldn't stand in the way of the other. They may never have even gotten to a formal vote on UConn because it became clear early on that Louisville had more support. At that point, UVA and UNC weren't going to stop the inevitable.

All speculation on my part. But that's how you would get a school "supporting" both UConn and Louisville.



Pretty sure this is exactly what happened. They needed to keep FSU happy. We made no effort to win FSU over. I would have been in Tallahassee playing golf with these people 6 months ago. I spend time in Tallashassee, it is pure southern. Many young people there call the Civil War the "War of Northern Aggression" and they call us Yankees. This isn't hard to understand. We aren't dealing with people from Ohio here, this is a whole different ball of wax.
 

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Louisville was selected so of course everyone will say they're real happy that they are in. Who's going to piss in their own bed?
 

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Pretty sure this is exactly what happened. They needed to keep FSU happy. We made no effort to win FSU over. I would have been in Tallahassee playing golf with these people 6 months ago. I spend time in Tallashassee, it is pure southern. Many young people there call the Civil War the "War of Northern Aggression" and they call us Yankees. This isn't hard to understand. We aren't dealing with people from Ohio here, this is a whole different ball of wax.

This makes a lot of sense. The same sentiment still surprisingly exists in SC.

The loss of MD was as shocking to the ACC as the first raid was to the BE. They never thought it could happen!!! Like it or not people don't always think logically. So the loss of Md hit a lot of the ACC universities leaders hard and all of a sudden they aren't feeling superior anymore. They now choose between an academic fit or an athletic fit when just six months ago this choice isn't even in the back of their minds. They now look at the geography and choose between a Mason Dixon state or another northern state, one who people in the south identify as a Connecticut Yankee!! Again this isn't even thought of six months ago, but these universities are reeling.

So they make a knee jerk athletic choice. It's based on the landscape of today as opposed to a deep and thorough examination of what actually happened over the last ten or twenty years and what is possible in the future. And today's landscape says Ville has Pitino and UConn has Ollie and Ville in football is fighting for a bogus BCS spot and UConn is fighting to score in the second half.
 
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This makes a lot of sense. The same sentiment still surprisingly exists in SC.

The loss of MD was as shocking to the ACC as the first raid was to the BE. They never thought it could happen!!! Like it or not people don't always think logically. So the loss of Md hit a lot of the ACC universities leaders hard and all of a sudden they aren't feeling superior anymore. They now choose between an academic fit or an athletic fit when just six months ago this choice isn't even in the back of their minds. They now look at the geography and choose between a Mason Dixon state or another northern state, one who people in the south identify as a Connecticut Yankee!! Again this isn't even thought of six months ago, but these universities are reeling.

So they make a knee jerk athletic choice. It's based on the landscape of today as opposed to a deep and thorough examination of what actually happened over the last ten or twenty years and what is possible in the future. And today's landscape says Ville has Pitino and UConn has Ollie and Ville in football is fighting for a bogus BCS spot and UConn is fighting to score in the second half.

I don't believe it had anything to do with geography nor CT Yankee. The choice was a defensive move to placate FSU and to keep Louisville out of the B12. The choice was made easier by Louisville selling their programs and improving academics while our Admin low keyed it.
 
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Forget all that - Calhoun needs to be asked if Boeheim did indeed oppose Uconn to the ACC. They are like best friends? This eats at me
 
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I don't believe it had anything to do with geography nor CT Yankee. The choice was a defensive move to placate FSU and to keep Louisville out of the B12. The choice was made easier by Louisville selling their programs and improving academics while our Admin low keyed it.




It is all of it. If we had gotten friendly with FSU and extolled our virtues casually over time, this may not have happened. We are a stronger long term product than Louisville but we didn't show them that.
 

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I don't believe it had anything to do with geography nor CT Yankee. The choice was a defensive move to placate FSU and to keep Louisville out of the B12. The choice was made easier by Louisville selling their programs and improving academics while our Admin low keyed it.
Those are certainly ideas that should be considered as factors causing the decision makers to choose the way they did. I just wouldn't necessarily presuppose that everyone of the decision makers in this process come from the same place as you.

Human decision making, especially when the stakes are high, frequently involves a lot of input. So it is likely that many of the points that we are all making on the internet were discussed by the various parties who had to make the final decisions. Exactly what points were factored by which of the decision makers is impossible to determine. A president from X university may have been more interested in A argument while the president from Y university may have been more interested in the B, C arguments.

Look at the diversity of opinion within this forum. Each of us have our ideas. We then come to our conclusions sometimes individually, sometimes collectively. But we seldom come to conclusions universally. Those universal conclusions are primarily in situations surrounding extremely horrible or extremely positive events. And even in those situations the reasons underlying our universal collective agreement vary.

In an anonymous forum we can say pretty much anything we want without fear of consequences. No one knows us. And our asses are not on the line if our ideas prove wrong. That makes it easy for us to argue our thinking with one another. The people who have to make the decisions don't have that luxury. They have to be concerned with what the public thinks. So frequently they will state that their decision making process was the result of certain factors even though those factors were not ones they considered or factored strongly. They have to do this because that's the way our culture works. People want to hear their decision makers state their needs and opinions as opposed to listening to counter arguments, even if these arguments countering their thinking are plausible.

The reason for this is that our ideas are integrated with our physical being. A disagreement with our idea can, and frequently is, considered to be an attack on our bodies and gets the same reaction as someone physically assaulting us.

Enough. I won't even bother about the subconscious and how it factors in our decision making.
 
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