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Dogdeacon said:
Dirk, Dwayne Wade's 1st title. Kobe's last couple and maybe every Spurs championship. It is possible with just one superstar, albeit a lot harder.
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People forget how good Shaq was when the Heat won that title. D-Wade was clearly the Man, but Shaq was still drawing double-teams on most possessions. He shot 60% that season and averaged 20,9,2 and 1.8 blocks per game. Those numbers would make him the best center in the league right now.

You are correct about Dirk, and I will give you one you missed: Dream in his first title year. Beyond that, it has pretty much taken at least two superstars to win in the NBA. Three is more often the norm. Kobe had Pau, who should have been MVP of the Finals the year they beat Boston. The Spurs....are are you serious?
 
MilliniumPrince said:
People forget how good Shaq was when the Heat won that title. D-Wade was clearly the Man, but Shaq was still drawing double-teams on most possessions. He shot 60% that season and averaged 20,9,2 and 1.8 blocks per game. Those numbers would make him the best center in the league right now.

You are correct about Dirk, and I will give you one you missed: Dream in his first title year. Beyond that, it has pretty much taken at least two superstars to win in the NBA. Three is more often the norm. Kobe had Pau, who should have been MVP of the Finals the year they beat Boston. The Spurs....are are you serious?
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Yeah with the Spurs Duncan had the Admiral for the 1st 2, Parker and Ginobili for most of them and Kwahi Leonard for the last one.
 
Dogdeacon said:
Dirk, Dwayne Wade's 1st title. Kobe's last couple and maybe every Spurs championship. It is possible with just one superstar, albeit a lot harder.
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Kobe's last two had another HoF in Gasol and 2 high level players in Odom and Bynum. I forget who else was on that team but it certainly was not Kobe carrying the team. He shot 6-24 in game 7 of the 2010 finals. I remember thinking that it was a joke he won FMVP that year.
 
bballgrda said:
Kobe's last two had another HoF in Gasol and 2 high level players in Odom and Bynum. I forget who else was on that team but it certainly was not Kobe carrying the team. He shot 6-24 in game 7 of the 2010 finals. I remember thinking that it was a joke he won FMVP that year.
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Yea, that game 7 took Kobe a few notches down in my view as far as greatest players of all time, if he had a great game 7 I would probably put him in the top 10 greatest ever, with him being awful that game I put him top 20, maybe top 15. Hard to find a player who is consider the greatest top 10 players ever having a horrible game 7 in the NBA finals.
 
Dirk, Pistons and Rockets are the three that come to mind. I said now you need at least 2 superstars, with the Big three in Boston and Lebron's decision the league has become more of an arms race where 3 superstars is the recipe for winning it all. KG, Pierce, Allen. . . . .Lebron, Wade, Bosh. . . . . Lebron, Kyrie, Love. . . . .Curry, Klay, Draymond. . . . .Durant and Westbrook only have two but they are undoubtedly two of the five best players in the league. That's why I put what Dirk did over pretty much anyone else. He straight took it to Kobe and Gasol, Durant and Westbrook and then did the same to Lebron, Wade and Bosh.
 
Immature performance by Thunder last night. I thought when Durant fouled Curry and got the T he pretty much quit after that (or just played angry rather than smart) and the team went in the same listless direction as the superstar. OKC is really close, but I think they are missing an extra reserve of competitiveness that keeps things close when the momentum is going the other way. Probably 2-2 coming out of these next couple games, but I'd say way more likely 3-1 Warriors then 3-1 OKC
 
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Dogdeacon said:
Immature performance by Thunder last night. I thought when Durant fouled Curry and got the T he pretty much quit after that (or just played angry rather than smart) and the team went in the same listless direction as the superstar. OKC is really close, but I think they are missing an extra reserve of competitiveness that keeps things close when the momentum is going the other way. Probably 2-2 coming out of these next couple games, but I'd say way more likely 3-1 Warriors then 3-1 OKC
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Dogdeacon said:
Immature performance by Thunder last night. I thought when Durant fouled Curry and got the T he pretty much quit after that (or just played angry rather than smart) and the team went in the same listless direction as the superstar. OKC is really close, but I think they are missing an extra reserve of competitiveness that keeps things close when the momentum is going the other way. Probably 2-2 coming out of these next couple games, but I'd say way more likely 3-1 Warriors then 3-1 OKC
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Durant is just a horrible road player, pretty incredible how bad he has been on the road in the playoffs.

It's so important Westbrook guards Curry as much as possible because whenever he comes off him it seems like Curry gets a wide open look.
 
EBonz30 said:
Durant is just a horrible road player, pretty incredible how bad he has been on the road in the playoffs.

It's so important Westbrook guards Curry as much as possible because whenever he comes off him it seems like Curry gets a wide open look.
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Agree Westbrook or Roberson (who is needed to guard someone bigger) are the only one's that can stay with Curry to the shut him down extent. But then with Westbrook you might be taxing him to the point where its more difficult for him to finish his drives to the hoop b/c explosiveness is nearly 100% of his game - seemed like last night he was getting consistently to the rim but finished only 25%.
Likewise though Curry can't stay in front of Westbrook & the physicality has to wear on him.
 
Think the Warriors figured out they can play their bigs last night and they are really effective against the Thunder when the bigs come out and set a screen for Curry out at the three point line. Curry can use the screen to go either way and he can pull up or have an open lane.
 
superjohn said:
Think the Warriors figured out they can play their bigs last night and they are really effective against the Thunder when the bigs come out and set a screen for Curry out at the three point line. Curry can use the screen to go either way and he can pull up or have an open lane.
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@superjohn I told you to start listening to me....

I've been on Billy and this Thunder team since the beginning of the Spurs series...
 
EBonz30 said:
This is what the series will come down to.....

If OKC can win the turnover battler they will win the series....mark it down...
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For the guys who like stats....

Wrote it before the series, if OKC wins the turnover battle they will win the series...

OKC has won the turnover battle in game 1, 3, and 4.....all the games they've won.

Lost it in game 2.
 
So is Westbrook shutting down and tiring out Curry or is Curry hurt? OKC is beating the Warriors in every aspect of the game so this is NOT the essential point of the series, but OKC would be winning these games by single digits if Curry was average or better and instead he's been terrible. I think this isn't a big story because the press knows everyone loves Steph and is hesitant to criticize him. Bright side of that is OKC getting the credit they richly deserve.
 
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Even the 04 Pistons team while not having superstars players they still had 4 all star level players with different skill sets in Rip of course, Chauncey, and the Wallace boys, Tayshaun Prince was very good too. You usually need to have 2 all stars, 3 pt shooters and also a deep bench to win it all.
 
EBonz30 said:
For the guys who like stats....

Wrote it before the series, if OKC wins the turnover battle they will win the series...

OKC has won the turnover battle in game 1, 3, and 4.....all the games they've won.

Lost it in game 2.
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I said the team who scores the most points would win each game. OKC has scored more points in game 1, 3, and 4.....

Nailed it.
 
UConnTrumbull said:
I wonder what KO is thinking about this series.
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What he is probably thinking....

Westbrook & Durant finally have a coach that can coach in Billy the kid...

Still to this day puts a smile on my face when I think back to the semifinal where we got to see Wilbekin's face after he realized he is facing the real deal point guards.

Couldn't stand that kid and got so much over hype during the year and Boat & Bazz made him look scared to bring the ball passed half court, similar to what they did to Appling as well.
 
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