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Message: [QUOTE="cancontent, post: 4490596, member: 10709"] That's why I'm suggesting a second tier for them alone until they get into the meat of their conference schedule. They're much improved, but to put them in the same grouping as the others, I'm not sure just yet. For comparison, Michigan State beat Indiana by 5 and lost to Ohio State by 6 points. Illinois has yet to face Ohio State and lost to Indiana as you noted. Michigan State have their losses, including being blasted Iowa State, however the rest of their losses have been by single digits. In conference play, they could have had a 3-1 or 4-0 record had they shot better from the free throw line if you look at the box scores of the Purdue and Ohio State games. Michigan is perplexing to me. Lost to Ohio State by 8, lost to Toledo and barely hung on to beat UNC by 6 when they had a 20 point lead at one point during the game. They had their challenges with Penn State until late in the 4th quarter to win by 10. Should they be in the top 5? Maybe, maybe not. Their upcoming games against Iowa, Purdue and Michigan State should help clarify things. [/QUOTE]