Big East schools with best all-time pros

[superjohn]

Big East schools with best all-time pro players?

Georgetown has to be #1. They have 4 Hall of Famers in Ewing, Iverson, Mourning and Mutombo and other really good pros in Sleepy Floyd, Reggie Williams, Wingate, Jeff Green, Otto Porter Jr. etc.

It gets tricky after Georgetown.

UConn and Marquette-

Marquette wins at the very top with Wade and Jimmy Butler but our volume of players after Ray Allen clearly beats them. Rip, Caron, Cliffy, Kemba, Gordon, Okafor, Gay, Donyell, Lamb etc. and we're pumping in more high level NBA players currently

After Wade and Jimmy Butler it gets a bit shaky for Marquette with Maurice Lucas, Doc Rivers, Jae Crowder, Wes Matthews, George Thompson, Dean Meminger.

Nova may have the edge over UConn.

Nova- Brunson, Paul Arizin, Kyle Lowery, Doug West, Kerry Kittles, Mikal Bridges, Bill Melchionni, Rory Sparrow, Wali Jones, Randy Foye, Chris Ford, Josh Hart, Donte DiVincenzo, Ed Pickney, Tim Thomas, Cam Whitmore.


DePaul is my sleeper with George Mikan, Mark Aguirre, Terry Cummings, Rod Strickland, Dave Corzine, Tyrone Corbin, Kevin Edwards, Quentin Richardson, Wilson Chandler, Max Strus

Providence is my other sleeper- Lenny Wilkens, Marvin Barnes, Jimmy Walker, Johnny Egan, Ernie DiGregorio, Otis Thorpe, Michael Smith, Mike Riordan, Eric Murdock, Eric Williams, Austin Croshere, Ryan Gomes, Kris Dunn.

St John's- Chris Mullin, Mark Jackson, Dick McGuire, Ron Artest, Kevin Loughery, Walter Berry, Malik Sealy, Felipe Lopez, Bill Wennington

 

[UConnSwag11]

GTown
UConn
Marquette
Nova
St. Johns

 

[NCHuskie919]

GTown
Marquette
Nova
UConn
....

 

[ucp990411]

No argument with Georgetown being at the top. Just remember that we beat 3 of the 4 when it counted most. Jim Calhoun, the GOAT

 

[Jaydumo20]

Depaul is the most fun. plus, Nobody on this list has a george mikan

 

[mussels]

Thought the nunber of guys that lasted at least 10 years in the league might be valid yardstick.

Interestingly, Georgetown, UConn and Nova are tied at 13 each.

 

[Matrim55]

GTown
Marquette
Nova
UConn
....

Yeah, this is correct. Two Marquette guys worth mentioning that SD left off:

Jim Chones: starting center averaging like 15/9 for 7-8 years in the 70s, good enough to get MVP votes. Became Kareem's back-up (and the Lakers' sixth man) for a couple years at the end of his career, winning a title.

Don Kojis: Before my time, but a two-time all-star in the late '60s, scored 10k career points.

These guys had Ben/Emeka-level careers – arguably better. So while we've got Marquette nosed on pure volume, I think their top 6 is probably better overall than ours.

What really hurt us was Andre being kind of a bum. Dude had Hall of Fame tools.

 

[storrsroars]

No argument with Georgetown being at the top. Just remember that we beat 3 of the 4 when it counted most. Jim Calhoun, the GOAT

I decided to just look at points.

After a little research, not sure I'm willing to give G'Town the title so easily. Yes, they have Ewing and AI with 24K pts each. Then there's only four others between 10K-15K pts. (Mourning, Green, Floyd, Mutombo)

UConn has Ray with 24K, then Cliff, Rudy and Rip between 15K-20K. Then another five guys between 10K-15K (Kemba, Caron, Drummond, Ben, Donyell). And that doesn't even include Okafor.

Ewing, Iverson, Allen and Wade are the only BE players with more than 20K pts.

The rest:
St. John's (6 >10K, Mullin, Paultz, Metta, Mark Jackson, Loughery, Ellis)
Marquette (4, Wade, Butler, Lucas, Matthews)
DePaul (4, Cummings, Aguirre, Strickland, Mikan)
Providence (3, Wilkins, Thorpe, Walker)
Villanova (2, Lowry, Arizin, although Brunson will get there)
Creighton (2, Korver, Silas)
Xavier (1, David West)
Butler (1, Gordon Hayward)
Seton Hall (0)

 

[UCLJ0211]

I feel like we’ve had this discussion several times before..

 

[storrsroars]

I feel like we’ve had this discussion several times before..

We've had every discussion several times before.

 

[QuickDraw]

this will change over the next decade when Hurley's guys have some time in the league

 

[Huskiefan78]

Yeah, this is correct. Two Marquette guys worth mentioning that SD left off:

Jim Chones: starting center averaging like 15/9 for 7-8 years in the 70s, good enough to get MVP votes. Became Kareem's back-up (and the Lakers' sixth man) for a couple years at the end of his career, winning a title.

Don Kojis: Before my time, but a two-time all-star in the late '60s, scored 10k career points.

These guys had Ben/Emeka-level careers – arguably better. So while we've got Marquette nosed on pure volume, I think their top 6 is probably better overall than ours.

What really hurt us was Andre being kind of a bum. Dude had Hall of Fame tools.

Andre coming into this year was statistically the most effective rebounder in NBA history. I think you need to reevaluate what ‘bum’ means.

 

[Chin Diesel]

Yeah, this is correct. Two Marquette guys worth mentioning that SD left off:

Jim Chones: starting center averaging like 15/9 for 7-8 years in the 70s, good enough to get MVP votes. Became Kareem's back-up (and the Lakers' sixth man) for a couple years at the end of his career, winning a title.

Don Kojis: Before my time, but a two-time all-star in the late '60s, scored 10k career points.

These guys had Ben/Emeka-level careers – arguably better. So while we've got Marquette nosed on pure volume, I think their top 6 is probably better overall than ours.

What really hurt us was Andre being kind of a bum. Dude had Hall of Fame tools.

Weird that 10k points is considered an achievement for Kojis, but 11k career points, 10k+ career rebounds, 4 times leading the league in rebounds, 2 All-star games and a 3rd team All-NBA makes Drummond a bum.

You may want to reconsider your take.

Calling Drummond a bum on December 31st is a perfect way to end the year dying on a hill.

 

[pj]

Thought the nunber of guys that lasted at least 10 years in the league might be valid yardstick.

Interestingly, Georgetown, UConn and Nova are tied at 13 each.

Ha, Kevin Ollie's pro career puts us at the top. Thanks KO.

 

[pj]

I decided to just look at points.

After a little research, not sure I'm willing to give G'Town the title so easily. Yes, they have Ewing and AI with 24K pts each. Then there's only four others between 10K-15K pts. (Mourning, Green, Floyd, Mutombo)

UConn has Ray with 24K, then Cliff, Rudy and Rip between 15K-20K. Then another five guys between 10K-15K (Kemba, Caron, Drummond, Ben, Donyell). And that doesn't even include Okafor.

Ewing, Iverson, Allen and Wade are the only BE players with more than 20K pts.

The rest:
St. John's (6 >10K, Mullin, Paultz, Metta, Mark Jackson, Loughery, Ellis)
Marquette (4, Wade, Butler, Lucas, Matthews)
DePaul (4, Cummings, Aguirre, Strickland, Mikan)
Providence (3, Wilkins, Thorpe, Walker)
Villanova (2, Lowry, Arizin, although Brunson will get there)
Creighton (2, Korver, Silas)
Xavier (1, David West)
Butler (1, Gordon Hayward)
Seton Hall (0)

I like this measure. It speaks to the large number of quality pros Jim Calhoun, and now Hurley, have created. Georgetown, Depaul and Marquette have had some great stars but not the same level of production of players.

It would be good to make a similar compilation for rebounds, to be fair to the big guys.

 

[Edward Sargent]

Big East schools with best all-time pro players?

Georgetown has to be #1. They have 4 Hall of Famers in Ewing, Iverson, Mourning and Mutombo and other really good pros in Sleepy Floyd, Reggie Williams, Wingate, Jeff Green, Otto Porter Jr. etc.

It gets tricky after Georgetown.

UConn and Marquette-

Marquette wins at the very top with Wade and Jimmy Butler but our volume of players after Ray Allen clearly beats them. Rip, Caron, Cliffy, Kemba, Gordon, Okafor, Gay, Donyell, Lamb etc. and we're pumping in more high level NBA players currently

After Wade and Jimmy Butler it gets a bit shaky for Marquette with Maurice Lucas, Doc Rivers, Jae Crowder, Wes Matthews, George Thompson, Dean Meminger.

Nova may have the edge over UConn.

Nova- Brunson, Paul Arizin, Kyle Lowery, Doug West, Kerry Kittles, Mikal Bridges, Bill Melchionni, Rory Sparrow, Wali Jones, Randy Foye, Chris Ford, Josh Hart, Donte DiVincenzo, Ed Pickney, Tim Thomas, Cam Whitmore.


DePaul is my sleeper with George Mikan, Mark Aguirre, Terry Cummings, Rod Strickland, Dave Corzine, Tyrone Corbin, Kevin Edwards, Quentin Richardson, Wilson Chandler, Max Strus

Providence is my other sleeper- Lenny Wilkens, Marvin Barnes, Jimmy Walker, Johnny Egan, Ernie DiGregorio, Otis Thorpe, Michael Smith, Mike Riordan, Eric Murdock, Eric Williams, Austin Croshere, Ryan Gomes, Kris Dunn.

St John's- Chris Mullin, Mark Jackson, Dick McGuire, Ron Artest, Kevin Loughery, Walter Berry, Malik Sealy, Felipe Lopez, Bill Wennington

St Johns also Mo Harkless, Zendon Hamilton, Cedric Jackson, Julian Champagnie, Kevin Loughry,

 

[RuffRuff]

We've had every discussion several times before.

It’s called a bored 10 day break between games conversation.

 

[willie99]

I'll give Georgetown the edge, for now, soon to be overcome with our current crop of players and those yet to come

No way on any planet does two players from Marquette outweigh our depth, not plausible (maybe in Milwaukee) . That's akin to Cuse arguing 1 >>>>> 6

Any talk about lottery picks?

IMO

 

[HuskyHawk]

It’s called a bored 10 day break between games conversation.

Yeah, I looked it, decided a rational person could disagree with any such ranking because it's so subjective and then thought "and you know what? I really don't care".

 

[CardiacAndre7]

Weird that 10k points is considered an achievement for Kojis, but 11k career points, 10k+ career rebounds, 4 times leading the league in rebounds, 2 All-star games and a 3rd team All-NBA makes Drummond a bum.

You may want to reconsider your take.

Calling Drummond a bum on December 31st is a perfect way to end the year dying on a hill.

Andre was the 9th pick in 2012. He is one of the best 9th picks ever likely. Short research there’s Dirk, Tracy McGrady, Kemba, Tony Parker, Demar, and Amar’e also that are 9th picks. Calling arguably the best rebounder ever a bum is wrong. Should have been better but 2x All Star is good.

 

[MU in MKE]

I'll give Georgetown the edge, for now, soon to be overcome with our current crop of players and those yet to come

No way on any planet does two players from Marquette outweigh our depth, not plausible (maybe in Milwaukee) . That's akin to Cuse arguing 1 >>>>> 6

Any talk about lottery picks?

IMO

Psssshhhht, 2 players and STEVE NOVAK!!!!


And now... a moment of silence in honor of January 3, 2006

OK but really, can we include Doc Rivers coaching accomplishments too??

 

[superjohn]

I feel like people are sleeping on Nova a bit. Brunson is arguably the best current point guard in the NBA, Hart is really good, Bridges is really good. Arizin is a Hall of Famer, Lowry is a possible HOF and I think probable Hall of Famer down the road.

 

[MU in MKE]

I feel like people are sleeping on Nova a bit. Brunson is arguably the best current point guard in the NBA, Hart is really good, Bridges is really good. Arizin is a Hall of Famer, Lowry is a possible HOF and I think probable Hall of Famer down the road.

I was actually going to say this, but I thought it was probably more of a recently bias slipping it's way into my brain.

 

[diggerfoot]

I decided to just look at points.

After a little research, not sure I'm willing to give G'Town the title so easily. Yes, they have Ewing and AI with 24K pts each. Then there's only four others between 10K-15K pts. (Mourning, Green, Floyd, Mutombo)

UConn has Ray with 24K, then Cliff, Rudy and Rip between 15K-20K. Then another five guys between 10K-15K (Kemba, Caron, Drummond, Ben, Donyell). And that doesn't even include Okafor.

Ewing, Iverson, Allen and Wade are the only BE players with more than 20K pts.

The rest:
St. John's (6 >10K, Mullin, Paultz, Metta, Mark Jackson, Loughery, Ellis)
Marquette (4, Wade, Butler, Lucas, Matthews)
DePaul (4, Cummings, Aguirre, Strickland, Mikan)
Providence (3, Wilkins, Thorpe, Walker)
Villanova (2, Lowry, Arizin, although Brunson will get there)
Creighton (2, Korver, Silas)
Xavier (1, David West)
Butler (1, Gordon Hayward)
Seton Hall (0)

This way of looking at it suffers from recency bias and discounting all around contributions, but it adds a little bit of quantified objectivity.

In terms of recency bias, the amount of games played and potential points scored over a year has expanded. Programs with earlier pros will suffer by comparison. Using ppg average with an added longevity factor (> 10 years?) would be an enhanced objective measure.

Though as a UConn fan I am perfectly OK with just using your approach!

 

[ToolzieFan]

UConn is tied with Villanova with nine active NBA players, good for 12th overall. Obviously some of our guys are primarily G League players. However, our players are only 52nd in combined activity earnings (~$27 million), while Nova is 11th (~$93 million).

It’d be nice to have a UConn player become a legitimate star again. Could Castle, Clingan, or McNeeley make an all star team? I hope so.

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