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Message: [QUOTE="seeya27, post: 4732210, member: 2365"] And that reinforces my point. I have said multiple times Self is elite and a winner. But greatest of all time, or the greatest of our era? I deeply question that. Yes, he wins regular season and conf titles. But to be the greatest means you are at least comparable to the greatest NC-winning teams/coaches in the modern era. And to me, that equates to somewhat consistently winning the hardest single event in all of sports. In the past quarter century, UConn has won NCs every 4.8 years. KU has won them every 12.5 years; Self has won them every once every 10 years. He may eventually get to GOAT status for sure. But all I ever hear from Kansas fans is winning a NC is hard. It requires luck and no injuries (and injuries make a difference certainly). Timing, etc. Again, not that teams are remotely able to win every year. These however are all excuses. When UConn loses, we as a fanbase/administration acknowledge we simply weren't good enough that year. But I never hear that from KU apologists. Self's lost 18 of 20 years, and almost all were as a top 1 or 2 seed (representative of being one of the top teams in the country), and only rarely as low as a 4. Achieving that consistently is undoubtedly an enormous accomplishment, but that alone hardly makes him the singular best coach in the game. In big NCAAT games he falters, which he doesn't do in his conf tournaments. Plus he's been clobbered (double-digit losses) in some of those losses. He's great. But the greatest of all time? Is that the guy you'd want coaching your team in "one game"? For me, it's Pitino, K, or Calhoun every day. One last note about KO: we all know this, but he beat Wright, Hoiberg, Izzo, Donavan, and then Calipari. Some of the greatest coaches of our era. He beat them consecutively with an undersized, under-appreciated team. Good/bad luck didn't play a role in that gauntlet of wins. He was the better coach in that moment -- and that does make it one of the greatest coaching jobs in history. Just my opinion. [/QUOTE]

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