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Message: [QUOTE="Patman, post: 4703635, member: 3391"] Ok. Taken back. I'm more familiar with trillium from more like 8 years back when they were a farmhouse/ipa specialist. I also think that Jack's Abby belongs in the discussion. I also know that trillium was in trouble for a couple of different things. I think treehouse deserves its respect for being top of class. I talked to one of their main guys and he still didn't talk me into the style but so it goes. I've just seen far too many ipa and heavy stout specialists get way too much credit. Gosh things would be easier if I were up there. I have to drive at least 4 hours to get anywhere new and notable. I'm starting to pick off parts of North Carolina on longer weekends. Did raleigh durham. Greensboro Winston Salem is on my radar. Charlotte's on the radar. Asheville is the radar but that's a much longer drive. Pittsburgh... doesn't do it for me yet as a solid weekend idea. Philly I've picked through time to time. [/QUOTE]