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Message: [QUOTE="HuskyHawk, post: 4697159, member: 1414"] it was a good beer. But not, even by old standards, what I always heard. It drinks like a good midwestern double, with the heavy caramel malt profile and enough piney bitterness to balance the sweet. Two Hearted style. Lots of people still love that. Those beers dominated in Colorado, Michigan, Wisconsin etc. Heady and Double Sunshine (and Abner for anyone who actually had it) broke the mold, and then Treehouse, Trillium and others built on that foundation. I may need to try the new west coast style, but I’m wary of excessive hopping during the boil and the non Citra “C” hops. Cascade, Centennial, Chinook, just not a fan. I just had a regular Sam Lager at a hotel bar. It’s a well made beer. There are definitely situations where you can do worse. I remember trying it in college at the UConn - Yale Bowl game and thinking it was just insanely bitter. My how times have changed. [/QUOTE]