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Message: [QUOTE="HuskyHawk, post: 3251953, member: 1414"] Actually Long Trail has some good beers including a solid VT IPA. But Magic Hat sucks. Saranac etc. I guess my point is if you are pushing $16-20 4 packs at retail you better be making something at least close to the on premise places like Trillium. Good examples, Toppling Goliath, Finback and Singlecut. I see a ton of 16 Oz stuff on shelves from new places that is crap. Some utterly flawed and some just at the level of Sam Rebel. Lagunitas has been smart. They are top tier category 3 but not expensive. The days when Ballast Point Sculpin can be priced at the top of the range are over. [/QUOTE]