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Message: [QUOTE="Phorcys, post: 5323043, member: 5606"] Well, 160k miles of aggressively entertaining driving in the city is probably equivalent to 350k driving carefully in the suburbs ... I am a driver ... adept at heel-toe shifting ... but I rarely do, because rev matching defeats the fun of downshifting: engine braking. Sure, it’s kinder on the powertrain, but much like the home you live in, a car is consumption, not an asset. Productive real estate, including rental properties, are absolutely legitimate investments. But investing in real estate is very different than homeownership. When all costs are taken into consideration, mostly labor from the owner, homeownership returns no profit and only costs. But that’s the entire point; a home is the place you live, not an investment, whether you rent or own. I happen to prefer the freedom of renting, in a dense urban center as close to the action as possible, and my preferred tool is a fun car to drive. [/QUOTE]