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Message: [QUOTE="visitingcock, post: 4538788, member: 6872"] I cant think of one that did NOT fall off except maybe ULaLa way back. Tennessee fell when Pat retired.. Notre Dame fell when Muffet retired. Though technically the big fall was her last year. NC State fell when Kay Yow moved on. Rutger fell before Vivian Stringer retired. Texas A&M fell when Gary Blair retired. In other sports with a longer happen, like football, powerhouse usually fall for at least [U]some period [/U]after a legendary coach retires. Ohio State might be a modern exception. I note you did qualify your statement with "that much." Notre Dame might be considered as not "that much." [/QUOTE]