Arod gets 162 games per arbitrator...

[G0UCONN]

Arod says appealing to federal court but nearly zero chance of winning that....

Think money saved by Yanks does not count towards luxury tax cap....so good for them. Money for Tanaka...

 

[Cheddie]

He'll take two swings @ MLB - an injunction to halt the suspension, and his federal lawsuit against MLB. Interesting in that he can come to spring training - will NY want him there?

 

[methodology]

The Yanks get $27.5 in relief and 3.5 goes towards luxury tax. Its a sham and disgrace to MLB to allow the Yankees this relief. The rich get richer.

Side note.... Tanaka has been in LA the past 2 days and was at a clinic getting physical done. Yankee fans shouldn't automatically assume Tanaka is theirs just cause of the salary relief. Most Japanese players prefer to play on the West Coast.

 

[ihatepants]

The Yanks get $27.5 in relief and 3.5 goes towards luxury tax. Its a sham and disgrace to MLB to allow the Yankees this relief. The rich get richer.

If you had actually read the JDA/CBA, you'll notice that it's stated that a player doesn't get paid their salary if they're suspended by MLB.

 

[zyron]

The Yanks get $27.5 in relief and 3.5 goes towards luxury tax. Its a sham and disgrace to MLB to allow the Yankees this relief. The rich get richer.

Side note.... Tanaka has been in LA the past 2 days and was at a clinic getting physical done. Yankee fans shouldn't automatically assume Tanaka is theirs just cause of the salary relief. Most Japanese players prefer to play on the West Coast.

Yeah, it's a sham that the Yankees are allowed the exact same rules that every other team has, who this benefited.

 

[mauconnfan]

The Yanks get $27.5 in relief and 3.5 goes towards luxury tax. Its a sham and disgrace to MLB to allow the Yankees this relief. The rich get richer.

Side note.... Tanaka has been in LA the past 2 days and was at a clinic getting physical done. Yankee fans shouldn't automatically assume Tanaka is theirs just cause of the salary relief. Most Japanese players prefer to play on the West Coast.

Imagine being able to benefit if you're the Yankees? That's despicable to think the team that keeps half of those small market owners alive with luxury tax they rarely spend on their teams would ever benefit………

"the rich get richer" - that's not anything more than sour grapes!! PERIOD…….

 

[methodology]

Typical Yankee fans only thinking about their own gratification instead of the good of baseball. And no the Yankees do not keep small market teams afloat. News flash the Yankees pull in more money from YES than most teams payrolls. Guess what without that opposing team, who receives $0 from YES or for being broadcast on YES, there would be no game and no commodity to be sold and marketed to fans for the Yankees to profit.

The Yankees are like Rutgers. They are holding a winning lottery ticket based on geographic and socioeconomic positioning. They are able to have fans travel from NJ and CT without even driving a car and having metro north drop them off right at the stadium.

Their luxury tax they pay is a tax to baseball to keep the rules they way they are so they can continue to be the top dog and play on an unlevel playing field. Its a DROP in the bucket, a tariff to keep doing business. You guys are naïve to think the luxury tax they pay is this huge burden on the Yankees. If revenue streams were shared, like in football, the landscape of baseball would be completely different.

I have research from the year after the strike and ti shows how much non parity there is in baseball. Its actually a parody. Only 1-2 times (going off memory without looking) since the strike have the Yankees or Red Sox not been in the playoffs. And if you are outside the top 10 payroll teams the chances of making the playoffs is miniscule. It comes down to money and the large market teams in rich geographic and demographic locations rein supreme. Money gets you into the playoffs but the playoffs are crapshoot.

Bottom line the Yankees already play in a league of their own. They have revenues that are $150m more than the team ranking 2nd in revenue. Meanwhile they pay anywhere from $15-30m a year in a luxury tax. That is nothing. ITs the cost of doing business and keeping the rules they way they are instead of the rules changing to make a level playing field. They should be on the hook for Arods contract and shouldn't get a reprieve. They are the ones who had the business acumen to sign Arod to the contract they did and now they should sleep in the bed they made. Its a disgrace to the game that they get a mulligan for a year so they can go spend $25m+ on another superstar. So yes "THE RICH GET RICHER"

Also all you Yankee fans who say the Owners just pocket the money is misguided. Baseball does not release income statements as they are private entities. There are ideas of what operating costs, expenses, ect are but they are just an idea and not exact. Also anyone with business acumen will tell you just spending money to spend money is idiotic. If you receive a stipend why would you just aimlessly spend it? For Yankees fans its "You got our money spend it cause its not fair, just keep fattening your pockets"... Meanwhile an astute businessman, and this is what most franchises and teams do who receive the money, invest that money into the business in the most intelligent way to get the most mileage and greatest ROI. If you are bottom dwelling team signing a mid level talent at $10-12m a year DOES NOTHING FOR YOUR TEAM. All it does is give you a player with an overinflated contract. Its not going to make a 72 win team a 90 win team and it may even impede the team down the road from resigning or extending players that are entering arbitration or may hit FA. Its only smart to spend when your franchise is positioned correctly to spend. It makes ZERO sense to spend and waste resources on a player that will keep you where you are currently.

Also a lot of those teams spend that money in the draft or in the minors where the FANS don't even see it being spent. That's the smart place to put resources if you are not a top team talent wise at the MLB level. Put the money into the draft, better/ scouts, trainers, upgrades to minor league facilities, ect. Those things cost millions of dollars and those are what the teams are spending their money on. Just cause they don't aimlessly hand out contracts for the MLB club, that does little or nothing in value for the team. (and it may even handcuff them from making future decisions which causes a net loss) they spend their money in areas that will eventually bear fruit at the MLB level even it is 5-7 years down the road. They invest in the franchise at the lower levels instead of just throwing everything at the MLB level. That money is better spent and will have greater ROI being spent in the other areas and then when their team is positioned correctly to contend they can take the money they have been receiving and splurge on a big name ticket.

Completely different topic for discussion (just so you know hwere I stand)... A salary cap would be the single worst thing for baseball. The Yankees would create even more distance between themselves and the rest of baseball. They would just invest their resources in the areas I touched on above.

 

[mauconnfan]

Typical Yankee fans only thinking about their own gratification instead of the good of baseball. And no the Yankees do not keep small market teams afloat. News flash the Yankees pull in more money from YES than most teams payrolls. Guess what without that opposing team, who receives $0 from YES or for being broadcast on YES, there would be no game and no commodity to be sold and marketed to fans for the Yankees to profit.

The Yankees are like Rutgers. They are holding a winning lottery ticket based on geographic and socioeconomic positioning. They are able to have fans travel from NJ and CT without even driving a car and having metro north drop them off right at the stadium.

Their luxury tax they pay is a tax to baseball to keep the rules they way they are so they can continue to be the top dog and play on an unlevel playing field. Its a DROP in the bucket, a tariff to keep doing business. You guys are naïve to think the luxury tax they pay is this huge burden on the Yankees. If revenue streams were shared, like in football, the landscape of baseball would be completely different.

I have research from the year after the strike and ti shows how much non parity there is in baseball. Its actually a parody. Only 1-2 times (going off memory without looking) since the strike have the Yankees or Red Sox not been in the playoffs. And if you are outside the top 10 payroll teams the chances of making the playoffs is miniscule. It comes down to money and the large market teams in rich geographic and demographic locations rein supreme. Money gets you into the playoffs but the playoffs are crapshoot.

Bottom line the Yankees already play in a league of their own. They have revenues that are $150m more than the team ranking 2nd in revenue. Meanwhile they pay anywhere from $15-30m a year in a luxury tax. That is nothing. ITs the cost of doing business and keeping the rules they way they are instead of the rules changing to make a level playing field. They should be on the hook for Arods contract and shouldn't get a reprieve. They are the ones who had the business acumen to sign Arod to the contract they did and now they should sleep in the bed they made. Its a disgrace to the game that they get a mulligan for a year so they can go spend $25m+ on another superstar. So yes "THE RICH GET RICHER"

Also all you Yankee fans who say the Owners just pocket the money is misguided. Baseball does not release income statements as they are private entities. There are ideas of what operating costs, expenses, ect are but they are just an idea and not exact. Also anyone with business acumen will tell you just spending money to spend money is idiotic. If you receive a stipend why would you just aimlessly spend it? For Yankees fans its "You got our money spend it cause its not fair, just keep fattening your pockets"... Meanwhile an astute businessman, and this is what most franchises and teams do who receive the money, invest that money into the business in the most intelligent way to get the most mileage and greatest ROI. If you are bottom dwelling team signing a mid level talent at $10-12m a year DOES NOTHING FOR YOUR TEAM. All it does is give you a player with an overinflated contract. Its not going to make a 72 win team a 90 win team and it may even impede the team down the road from resigning or extending players that are entering arbitration or may hit FA. Its only smart to spend when your franchise is positioned correctly to spend. It makes ZERO sense to spend and waste resources on a player that will keep you where you are currently.

Also a lot of those teams spend that money in the draft or in the minors where the FANS don't even see it being spent. That's the smart place to put resources if you are not a top team talent wise at the MLB level. Put the money into the draft, better/ scouts, trainers, upgrades to minor league facilities, ect. Those things cost millions of dollars and those are what the teams are spending their money on. Just cause they don't aimlessly hand out contracts for the MLB club, that does little or nothing in value for the team. (and it may even handcuff them from making future decisions which causes a net loss) they spend their money in areas that will eventually bear fruit at the MLB level even it is 5-7 years down the road. They invest in the franchise at the lower levels instead of just throwing everything at the MLB level. That money is better spent and will have greater ROI being spent in the other areas and then when their team is positioned correctly to contend they can take the money they have been receiving and splurge on a big name ticket.

Completely different topic for discussion (just so you know hwere I stand)... A salary cap would be the single worst thing for baseball. The Yankees would create even more distance between themselves and the rest of baseball. They would just invest their resources in the areas I touched on above.

You're just a typical Yankee-hater- your whole thread is worthless and bitter, pitful I might add!! nice waste of space though!!

 

[methodology]

You knowledge of baseball economics is severely lacking.

Keep drinking the kool aid. I unfortunately know people in baseball world and have met Cashman a couple times as he would routinely eat at a family friends restaurant in Darien.

The Yankees want baseball to stay the way it is because they run the show.

 

[Scoe]

Typical Yankee fans only thinking about their own gratification instead of the good of baseball. And no the Yankees do not keep small market teams afloat. News flash the Yankees pull in more money from YES than most teams payrolls. Guess what without that opposing team, who receives $0 from YES or for being broadcast on YES, there would be no game and no commodity to be sold and marketed to fans for the Yankees to profit.

The Yankees are like Rutgers. They are holding a winning lottery ticket based on geographic and socioeconomic positioning. They are able to have fans travel from NJ and CT without even driving a car and having metro north drop them off right at the stadium.

Their luxury tax they pay is a tax to baseball to keep the rules they way they are so they can continue to be the top dog and play on an unlevel playing field. Its a DROP in the bucket, a tariff to keep doing business. You guys are naïve to think the luxury tax they pay is this huge burden on the Yankees. If revenue streams were shared, like in football, the landscape of baseball would be completely different.

I have research from the year after the strike and ti shows how much non parity there is in baseball. Its actually a parody. Only 1-2 times (going off memory without looking) since the strike have the Yankees or Red Sox not been in the playoffs. And if you are outside the top 10 payroll teams the chances of making the playoffs is miniscule. It comes down to money and the large market teams in rich geographic and demographic locations rein supreme. Money gets you into the playoffs but the playoffs are crapshoot.

Bottom line the Yankees already play in a league of their own. They have revenues that are $150m more than the team ranking 2nd in revenue. Meanwhile they pay anywhere from $15-30m a year in a luxury tax. That is nothing. ITs the cost of doing business and keeping the rules they way they are instead of the rules changing to make a level playing field. They should be on the hook for Arods contract and shouldn't get a reprieve. They are the ones who had the business acumen to sign Arod to the contract they did and now they should sleep in the bed they made. Its a disgrace to the game that they get a mulligan for a year so they can go spend $25m+ on another superstar. So yes "THE RICH GET RICHER"

Also all you Yankee fans who say the Owners just pocket the money is misguided. Baseball does not release income statements as they are private entities. There are ideas of what operating costs, expenses, ect are but they are just an idea and not exact. Also anyone with business acumen will tell you just spending money to spend money is idiotic. If you receive a stipend why would you just aimlessly spend it? For Yankees fans its "You got our money spend it cause its not fair, just keep fattening your pockets"... Meanwhile an astute businessman, and this is what most franchises and teams do who receive the money, invest that money into the business in the most intelligent way to get the most mileage and greatest ROI. If you are bottom dwelling team signing a mid level talent at $10-12m a year DOES NOTHING FOR YOUR TEAM. All it does is give you a player with an overinflated contract. Its not going to make a 72 win team a 90 win team and it may even impede the team down the road from resigning or extending players that are entering arbitration or may hit FA. Its only smart to spend when your franchise is positioned correctly to spend. It makes ZERO sense to spend and waste resources on a player that will keep you where you are currently.

Also a lot of those teams spend that money in the draft or in the minors where the FANS don't even see it being spent. That's the smart place to put resources if you are not a top team talent wise at the MLB level. Put the money into the draft, better/ scouts, trainers, upgrades to minor league facilities, ect. Those things cost millions of dollars and those are what the teams are spending their money on. Just cause they don't aimlessly hand out contracts for the MLB club, that does little or nothing in value for the team. (and it may even handcuff them from making future decisions which causes a net loss) they spend their money in areas that will eventually bear fruit at the MLB level even it is 5-7 years down the road. They invest in the franchise at the lower levels instead of just throwing everything at the MLB level. That money is better spent and will have greater ROI being spent in the other areas and then when their team is positioned correctly to contend they can take the money they have been receiving and splurge on a big name ticket.

Completely different topic for discussion (just so you know hwere I stand)... A salary cap would be the single worst thing for baseball. The Yankees would create even more distance between themselves and the rest of baseball. They would just invest their resources in the areas I touched on above.

Im happy thats all that matters, keep up typing those 10 pages worth of Yankee hate threads.

 

[Fishy]

You knowledge of baseball economics is severely lacking.

Bitterness isn't knowledge.

You have scads of the former and none of the latter.

 

[G0UCONN]

Hear they are looking at Michael Young for 3B this year...would be a good move.

 

[Dove]

Mike Pagliarulo has received an invite to Spring Training.

 

[Cheddie]

Hear they are looking at Michael Young for 3B this year...would be a good move.

Girardi said in an interview that they'll likely stick with in-house options. Although slim, there's still a chance that ARod postpones or reverses this, and they may be waiting to at least see what happens with the injunction.

 

[60'sfan]

Just curious. Suppose Arod sits out the entire 2014 season as he is currently required and plans on a comeback in 2015. I can think of 21 million reasons why he may want to. What are the Yankee's options? If they release him, aren't they still stuck with his salary and won't it count against the cap. And what about 2016 and 2017? Do they still have the same problem?

 

[Dogdeacon]

It is very likely that ARod never plays MLB again.
1. Since 2011, ARod played 99 (.823 OPS), 122 (.783 OPS) and 44 (.771 OPS) games. In 2013 maybe 20 lost to suspension & rest injury? (I don't know)
= he is in serious decline
2. Needs the drugs to stave off the decline not to mention however important they were previously to his performance. He would need to swallow his pride and play semipro ball or in another country to keep his timing. Ain't happening for 75 million reasons (25 million per year 2015-2017).
3. Appeal shmeal, he is simply not playing in 2014 due to legal rules of arbitration, so looking at 2015 after a long layoff
4. He'll be 40 in 2015 and 4-5 years away from his last good year in 2010 when he was 35

How much ink will be spilled in the name of baseball about a guy who 75%+ will likely never play and 95% will never contribute meaningfully? The only stories left to write are about his contract & appeal and I don't see why we should care. I heard yesterday that he definitely meticulously took steroids. This sounds just like the we know, so the story is all out & done. Going forward it is the same as a CEO who gets a huge golden parachute, it should be worthy of one story and that's that. ARod is not a MLB player anymore and if you prefer baseball to legal & payroll sagas we all simply shouldn't care.

 

[Danzz]

I don't think Arod ever plays again. He is already showing the signs of age and who knows what his performance would be like with the absence of banned drugs. The Yankees will likely release Arod and settle with him on the remainder of his contract.
Did the Yankees benefit from Arod's drug use? Of course they did and if they didn't take advantage of getting out of a bad contract they would be nuts. I have no opinion on whether the rules are fair but the Yankees owe it to their organization to take advantage of the rules as they exist. Any team would do the same.
The Yankees still have plenty of holes to fill. Signing Tanaka to an expensive long term contract is dangerous: just ask the Red Sox how Dice K worked out for them. Paying $20MM just for the right to negotiate with Tanaka is crazy and I hope the Red Sox pass on Tanaka and I think that they will. The Yankees would be smart to do the same. My guess he goes to the Dodgers or Giants.

 

[arnie3]

The Yankees will still be liable to ARod for $61 million, and Buster Olney is saying that they will pay him off rather than ever let him wear the uniform. This craziness will continue at spring training where Alex has vowed to go. Right now the Yanks are looking at their options and hoping that they can designate him to their minor league training camp. That way at least, they'll be able to look at potential third basemen without the circus going on. Unlike last season when right-handers had their way with ARod, he's is not going down easily. His lawyers just filed a suit in federal court for an injunction. Every contract lawyer that I've heard from the media says that he hasn't much of a chance, but really who knows? The one possible sticking point is the amount of games that he has been banned for-162 plus post-season. It's unprecedented. But again they have damning e-mails to Bosch from his Blackberry that are very incriminating. And Bosch claims that he fears for his life. Alex missed his calling- he could have starred in "As The World Turns"!

 

[Waquoit]

When ARod gets back can the Yanks do what they did to Butch Hobson and stick him in Triple-A for the duration?

 

[The Viking]

The Yankees organization and Alex Rodriguez deserve each other. Both are attention-seeking whores. It will be a shame the day that the Yankees cut him and the divorce is final.

I remember the day the Yankees signed A-Rod, I was listening to WFAN and NY fans were laughing it up, planning their next WS parade and wondering what the streets of Boston looked like after yet another punch to the gut.

How did that work out?

Here's hoping the Yankees don't do the smart thing and instead decide to allow him to come back in 2015. I really want to see him in Spring Training with Yankees on, acting like he really cares. His whole shtick is one big act and the Yankees fell for it. Hilarious.

 

[Danzz]

I actually had some sympathy for Arod because his punishment seemed excessive. Always felt Yankee fans, the NY sports market in general and fans love affair with Jeter was in part responsible for the pressure that led to his inability to hit in the clutch especially early in his Yankee career.
Now I'm seeing why MLB went after Arod so hard. The man is a complete who will say or do anything to win. He is now suing his own players association who spent a lot of time and money defending him and trashing the dead former association head (Weiner).
Now I'd love to see Arod show up for Spring training and the Yankees send him to AAA. The last thing the Yankees need as they rebuild is the side show Arod would create with the big club in Florida. Arod may actually be enough of an egomaniac idiot to go to AAA.

 

[mauconnfan]

The Yankees organization and Alex Rodriguez deserve each other. Both are attention-seeking whores. It will be a shame the day that the Yankees cut him and the divorce is final.

I remember the day the Yankees signed A-Rod, I was listening to WFAN and NY fans were laughing it up, planning their next WS parade and wondering what the streets of Boston looked like after yet another punch to the gut.

How did that work out?

Here's hoping the Yankees don't do the smart thing and instead decide to allow him to come back in 2015. I really want to see him in Spring Training with Yankees on, acting like he really cares. His whole shtick is one big act and the Yankees fell for it. Hilarious.

The Red Sox? You mean that same team who wanted to take him at a lesser price but nonetheless WANTED him?

You and methodology should go have a Yankee Haters party…….it's laughable!

 

[G0UCONN]

The Red Sox? You mean that same team who wanted to take him at a lesser price but nonetheless WANTED him?

Yes that will forever be filed under "Thank God that didn't work out". Along with when the Sox offered Minnesota I believe Lester, Masterson, Lowrie and Crisp for Santana and Minnesota said no because they wanted Ellsbury added....

Both times I was pissed we didn't get the deal done. Was really slumped when NY got ARod...

Who knew??

The Yankees top "thank God we didn't do that" was they nearly traded Mariano Rivera for Felix Fermin in spring training 1996. Gene Michael talked George out of it...

 

[Cheddie]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/14/s...ght-seeking-to-vacate-arbitrators-ruling.html

Couldn't get the link to work, but here's ARod's regimen, per the arbitrator's ruling, in today's NY Times. One unwelcome aspect of his appeal, to him, is that MLB evidence, previously sealed, will eventually come out. In 2012 alone, ARod and Bosch spoke on the telephone 53 times and exchanged 556 text messages.

 

[Scoe]

The Yankees organization and Alex Rodriguez deserve each other. Both are attention-seeking whores. It will be a shame the day that the Yankees cut him and the divorce is final.


How did that work out?

Here's hoping the Yankees don't do the smart thing and instead decide to allow him to come back in 2015. I really want to see him in Spring Training with Yankees on, acting like he really cares. His whole shtick is one big act and the Yankees fell for it. Hilarious.

I recall Sox fans being very cocky about getting Arod (before it happened), if you deny it your lying. I don't regret the yankees getting Arod who Texas was still paying part of his contract still. I regret the Yankees paying him the second contract.

I remember the day the Yankees signed A-Rod, I was listening to WFAN and NY fans were laughing it up, planning their next WS parade and wondering what the streets of Boston looked like after yet another punch to the gut.

You listened to WFAN with cocky NY fans no way really dude, your a slave to the media for taking WFAN seriously. I can recall, Yankee fans that I know personally who were very concerned about the rotation losing Clemens and Pettite, and replacing them with Vazquez and Brown.

No I don't regret the Yankees getting Arod, there are no guarantees in sports, its a risk taking business, the length of the second contract was beyond stupid no Yankee fan has denied that.