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Message: [QUOTE="WestCoast, post: 3433457, member: 10114"] Determining dirty play is based upon historical observation, not mere speculation about the future. You have a different opinion about Ryan's actions than I do. Moore, Ionescu, Pivec, and others who have competed against Ryan know that they have to protect themselves against her physical play at all times based upon how she has pushed the limits of acceptable physical play in the past. I recognize that Ryan isn't interested in winning any popularity contests with anybody on the opposing teams. I just think that you can be a tough player without a lot of the extra stuff that she interjects into the game. Basketball is a physical game. It doesn't have to be a dirty and ugly one as well. [/QUOTE]