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Message: [QUOTE="j66kicker, post: 3433248, member: 4447"] I've watched ASU quite a bit and I'm not sure I'd say they play "dirty." But I also disagree that they are "elite athletes." I don't recall any ASU women's basketball player ever who I'd call an "elite athlete." To me it looks like inferior athletes trying to neutralize their athletic disadvantage against elite teams with physical play beyond what is the real intent of basketball. Maybe it's legal, and maybe it's a good strategy - obviously it works sometimes. But I do get why others in the PAC-12 call it ugly. [/QUOTE]