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Message: [QUOTE="azfan, post: 3433134, member: 7748"] I agree that Sun Devils like many successful teams try to impose their physical will on their opponent. ASU's strong physical aggressive play in my experience does not verge into anything dirty or beyond the rules. On the issue of fair. If my 21 year old daughter plays one-on-one against my 21 year old son and imposes her will on him I'm not sure if this is fair. I'm not sure if Arizona or Baylor playing a very very weak non-conference schedule is fair. But it does happen and if the Wildcats or Bears physically dominate these other teams there is nothing dirty or beyond the rules. Likewise if the Sun Devils are playing an elite team and make every effort to physically compete I can't see that there's anything lacking fairness or outside rules about this. This is I think an important discussion. Referees I believe do the very best they can to call a game according to the rules. These are elite athletes playing at a rapid rate of speed and decisions are split second. I think we're arguing here not about black and white but the gray area. We would all agree that Arike Ogumbwale type of action is dirty play outside the rules and should be treated accordingly and condemned. It is in the physical play both in the paint and working for 50/50 balls that can be a gray area. By gray I mean physically and determinedly trying to make a play as opposed to trying to disable or hurt an opponent. I think we all want to see players on the court giving 100% and making a physical and determined effort to make a play. When two players of that mindset meet physical play will ensue. I would say that much more often than not that physical contact takes place within the context of the game. Now fouls occur and we would all expect that. I would be hesitant to go out on a limb and label play like this dirty. Dirty play is obvious in the ND example above we know it when we see it and we would all agree it should be condemned. [/QUOTE]

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