APR question

[caw]

So, as far as I am aware the NCAA has not yet decided on what year's to use for the 2013 tournament yet, correct?

If they were to use the old/current set of years, only UConn is currently affected.

If they use the new set of years, what other teams would be banned?

 

[HuskyBballFan]

So, as far as I am aware the NCAA has not yet decided on what year's to use for the 2013 tournament yet, correct?

If they were to use the old/current set of years, only UConn is currently affected.

If they use the new set of years, what other teams would be banned?

We don't know the answer to this because the 2011 scores haven't been released yet.

 

[caw]

We don't know the answer to this because the 2011 scores haven't been released yet.

At let my OP be a warning to not having your Monday morning coffee then skipping lunch.

 

[HuskyBballFan]

Also, it's not that the NCAA hasn't decided which years to use. They've decided on 2010-2011 - it's just that they're now considering if it's possible logistically to compile and report the numbers faster, which would allow them to use 2011-2012.

And if they use 2011-2012, we actually have no idea who would be eligible. Technically, we don't even know if Uconn would be eligible because we don't know what this year's score will be. Not only have the 2011 scores not been reported to the public, the 2012 scores haven't even been earned yet.

 

[UConn5]

I realllllllly hope we don't get dinged with another bad APR score this year.

 

[Husky1964]

Our score this year will be perfect or almost so, because" Sheriff Hearst" is a hands on Pres.

 

[HuskyBballFan]

Our score this year will be perfect or almost so, because" Sheriff Hearst" is a hands on Pres.

Well don't forget, if AO "slacks off" and gets a 2.5 GPA this semester, we lose an APR point. His decision has absolutely nothing to do with academics, yet it affects the Academic Progress Rate. It truly is a remarkable system.

 

[huskyharry]

The hypocrisy of the NCAA certainly shows through in this whole process. They're trying to make it look like they're only banning the teams that are below the standard for the APR from post season play, somewhat as a punishment but moreso that the the student athletes could concentrate more on their studies without having the distraction of preparing for a post season tournament. However, as we are already seeing, there is a strong impetus from this to get players to leave the affected program. The chronic and frustrating part of this is that if any of these players end up leaving in a less than stellar academic state, they will further dragged down the calculated APR and thus perpetuate a never ending cycle which is far from fair.

 

[RS9999X]

Here's the other part of the problem: Fair and timely disclosure to incoming Freshmen and possible transfers like Alex Oriakhi.

If a student transfers to a DiV I school in good standing then there is enrollment paperwork needed to verify that transfer and enrollment. That's not officially available until September at the earliest and more likely October after the withdrawal dates.

Pro-basketall contracts suffer from some similar timing issues with formal contract dates. Not everyone goes to the NBA or elsewhere with a guaranteed contract in July

Then there's Summer coursework that is eligible to be credited to the prior year.

If the goal of this is to properly inform students first in their decision making for the Fall there are timing issues that need to be discussed. It's not fair to call the Omar Calhouns in November and tell him well.... the team is not going to be eligible this year. It was close but player didn't make the roster overseas so the tentative waiver is voided. Or player decided to enroll in a Community College since he had to wait out a year anyway and did that just to stick it to Calhoun and company.

 

[willie99]

I understand that several more schools will be ineligible using the current standard, including 13 schools playing in this year's tournament

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/325485?eref=sircrc

 

[HuskyBballFan]

I understand that several more schools will be ineligible using the current standard, including 13 schools playing in this year's tournament

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/325485?eref=sircrc

Those 13 schools would have been ineligible this year if the new penalties were put in place. We don't yet know who else will be ineligible next year since the 2011 scores haven't been released yet. We only know that Uconn will be ineligible since our 2010 scores were so bad that even a perfect 2011 score wouldn't get us over the new threshold.

 

[Adios]

http://blogs.courant.com/rick_green/2011/03/uconn-graduation-rate-for-bask.html

Seems no one has mentioned our graduation rate.

 

[willie99]

no one talks about the fact that our players have to take the same majors as the regular student body, no cupcake majors for them

and even though not all our players leave for the NBA, the vast majority of them play professional basketball and earn some decent money.

preparing them to succeed in life >>>>>> grad rate

 

[HuskyBballFan]

http://blogs.courant.com/rick_green/2011/03/uconn-graduation-rate-for-bask.html

Seems no one has mentioned our graduation rate.

Our graduation rate suffers for the same reason our APR suffers. Guys like Alex Oriakhi and Jamal Coombs-McDaniel leave Uconn purely for basketball reasons, yet since they'll be graduating from another school, our graduation rate suffers. Again, it has less to do with academics than people think.

I love how people say "it's only a men's basketball program, all the other sports do fine." Gee, ya don't say. How many field hockey players leave school early to pursue a professional career? How many golfers and swimmers transfer to another school because they're unhappy with playing time?

The deck is stacked against men's basketball, especially programs with old-school, demanding coaches like ours. Every team is alloted 13 scholarships, but nobody has a 13-man rotation. For a program like ours, the very best players are always a threat to leave early for the NBA, and the guys at the end of the bench getting chewed out by Calhoun everyday are always a threat to leave for greener pastures. Again, what does this have to do with academics?

Want our graduation rates and APR to go up? Tell Calhoun to stop recruiting guys like Andre Drummond and Rudy Gay who have no chance of staying 4 years. Then force him to go to a 12 man rotation and stop yelling at players to increase team morale. We'll have fewer early entrants and transfers and our graduation rates and APR numbers will be through the roof. Of course, we'll go 9-21 every year and eventually join the Northeast Conference. But hey, at least we'd be serious about "academics!"

 

[The Funster]

http://blogs.courant.com/rick_green/2011/03/uconn-graduation-rate-for-bask.html

Seems no one has mentioned our graduation rate.

from that article:

I do understand. And it doesn't have to be this way. Look at public universities such as Illinois, Penn State, Florida State, West Virginia and Kansas. They play D-1 basketball and have graduation rates of about 70 percent. UConn languishes at about 30 percent.

Outside of Kansas, what have any of those universities done that would satisfy our fan base?

I'm sure there is a happy medium that balances success on the court alongside success in the classroom.

 

[NHUConnfan]

And all of you stopped reading before this...

The alarming thing is that the gap between white and black basketball players is growing. Just 25 percent of African American basketball players at UConn graduate, compared to 50 percent for whites. Students who depart UConn before graduation, but who are academically eligible when they leave, are excluded from these figures.​

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[caw]

from that article:



Outside of Kansas, what have any of those universities done that would satisfy our fan base?

I'm sure there is a happy medium that balances success on the court alongside success in the classroom.

I'm not even sure Kansas' record would satisfy some. I mean, only 1 NC in the last 25 years, some expect UConn to win one every year (impossible task though it may be).

I'd love to see UK's grad rate. Duke's is probably pretty good, K has a talent for finding kids who are great in college but are seriously flawed for the NBA (overall). UNC's is probably not great but probably above 30%.