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Message: [QUOTE="FreeKlaiber, post: 3250063, member: 9258"] the vaccine was actually pulled bc in a percentage of people the side effects were high....and if you read the side effects....fatigue, achiness, slowed mental cognition, tingling, joint pain- the side effects WERE LYME....there are still people today sick from the vaccine they took 15 yrs ago, bc it appears to have given them lyme...and im not an anti-vaxxer, but there is a lot more controversy about the vaccine than that previous post represents.... the big problem is the inability to find the bacteria in blood (positive tests look for the antibodies to the disease, made by the immune system, not the bacteria themselves)...which is where the debate causes the biggest problem...the percentage of the 300,000 bit a yr, who dont get better after the 30 day cdc course of antibiotics- main stream medicine says, well its not lyme keeping them sick, while lyme literate ilads doctors say you are still infected,need more abx, but bloodwork cant show that one way or another bc youre body will keep making antibodies they did a test, with volunteers of people with chronic lyme, who had done months of abx but were still sick...they then placed "clean" raised in the lab ticks on them for 2 days....the ticks did not have lyme....after 2 days they removed the ticks, and tested, and now they had lyme....gotten from the human, who according to the cdc is cured but in fact is a reservoir of borellia....there is more of a technical discussion about did the lyme spirochete turn into a round body cyst form or form biofilms to survive the initial abx in order to survive? but until definitive testing proves the lingering nature of the bacteria, the debate that keeps sick people from insurance covered help when they most need is stuck in a political place....and what of those who dont test positive bc there bodies arent making antibodies? they wont test positive, and will eventually be labelled as having chronic fatigue syndrome, or fibro, or MS (google where MS is found in the US- its the same northern vector as the Lyme US map.... [URL='http://www.invw.org/2012/11/26/a-map-of-multiple-scleros-1329/']A map of multiple sclerosis by latitude[/URL] people in the south dont get MS? makes one think....because MS and alot of other neuro diagnosis are labels of symptoms and show no causation...google kris kristoferssons (sp) recovery from alzheimers (that a llmd doctor "reversed" with lyme treatment, bc it was lyme in his case) sorry for the ramble [/QUOTE]

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