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CNN)Preliminary information indicates 10 people were killed and more than 20 others injured in a shooting at Oregon's Umpqua Community College on Thursday, said Oregon State Police spokesman Bill Fugate.

Douglas County Commissioner Chris Boice told CNN that the shooter is in custody. It was not immediately clear whether the shooter was injured.

"We arrived to find multiple patients in multiple classrooms. Law enforcement was on scene and had the shooter neutralized," Douglas County Fire Marshal Ray Shoufler told CNN.
 
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"Umpqua Community College allows students to carry guns on campus. The State of Oregon allows people with concealed weapon permits to bring concealed guns onto campus."

I just don't understand how "gun advocates" think this is smart. For my children and my family, we are in more danger by this kind of thinking than all the Mexican rapists & ISIS jihadists & Colombian narcos. You can get shot in movie theaters, elementary schools & churches. Sad to even listen to someone claim that this is fundamental to our constitution of 1781.
 
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"Umpqua Community College allows students to carry guns on campus. The State of Oregon allows people with concealed weapon permits to bring concealed guns onto campus."

I just don't understand how "gun advocates" think this is smart. For my children and my family, we are in more danger by this kind of thinking than all the Mexican rapists & ISIS jihadists & Colombian narcos. You can get shot in movie theaters, elementary schools & churches. Sad to even listen to someone claim that this is fundamental to our constitution of 1781.

CBS Seattle says it's a gun free zone. One security guard unarmed.


http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2015/10/01/oregon-community-college-shooting/
 

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Updates are the college is a gun free zone.

The shooter is dead, taken down by police.
 
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Heard a report that a student had a concealed weapon permit, with weapon on him, and they walked him to his car and let him drive off.
 

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Wow, 13 dead, 20 injured. Thoughts and prayers to the families and friends of the victims. Wish we could fix this problem our society has. Gun or no gun, there is something in the minds of a very small number of folks that is very bad.
 
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Wow, 13 dead, 20 injured. Thoughts and prayers to the families and friends of the victims. Wish we could fix this problem our society has. Gun or no gun, there is something in the minds of a very small number of folks that is very bad.

Let them carry ... candy bars. Eliminate the gun part of that sentence and what do you have?

Tougher scrutiny of mental health ... then focus with technology on keeping track of their purchase/ownership of handguns. Assault rifles (and I don't know what was carried today) needs very restrictive use in urban/exurban areas. You want rifles for hunting or a handgun for your security; then, I'd like to know that you can pass some simple scrutiny.
 
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Every country has crazy people. And there's no such thing as a gun-free zone unless you have a fence with armed guards. Do we want that around our colleges? Do we want thousands of armed students partying on the weekends? Are those our only choices?

It doesn't matter what brand of crazy or violent or grudge this guy had. What matters whether want to make it easy or difficult for people like him to kill a lot of people. Right now enough of us have been convinced that we're helpless to change that dynamic to continue the status quo. And so we count the bodies and offer up prayers instead.

And now you can move this to the cesspool.
 

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Let them carry ... candy bars. Eliminate the gun part of that sentence and what do you have?

Tougher scrutiny of mental health ... then focus with technology on keeping track of their purchase/ownership of handguns. Assault rifles (and I don't know what was carried today) needs very restrictive use in urban/exurban areas. You want rifles for hunting or a handgun for your security; then, I'd like to know that you can pass some simple scrutiny.
According to someone who was there in
 
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We made a decision a number of years ago that gun control was uncinstitutional. Despite 150 plus years of cities and states having bans, and this is the price.
 
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I would love to see a culture without guns but I would love to see more a culture that was not bent on personal pleasure and self satisfaction. We don t need constant entertainment and distraction but a mindset that looks for ways to help everyone looking out for the well being of all!
 
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We made a decision a number of years ago that gun control was uncinstitutional. Despite 150 plus years of cities and states having bans, and this is the price.

Not true at all. We have very strict gun control laws in some of our major cities; ones where the NRA have fought tooth & nail. I think, where we are in this country, is that WE the Majority think that States Rights should apply to gun control. If NYC or Philadelphia has tight control & that extends to the Northeast surrounding states, then I am not sure we care what Montana or Texas want to do ... claiming hunters rights or posse commetatus or some odd thing. I am with Bloomberg. We can't have this on streets. We have had too much of this at schools, churches, movie theaters. We have paid too high a price.
 

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I would love to see a culture without guns but I would love to see more a culture that was not bent on personal pleasure and self satisfaction. We don t need constant entertainment and distraction but a mindset that looks for ways to help everyone looking out for the well being of all!
Unfortunately, I think the problem lies in society's recent love for violence. Violent video games, violent movies, violent sports and violent music. I am part of the problem. The fact that we have POPULAR first person shooting video games where the object is to kill other humans is extremely sad. It was not like this in the 80's. Trend started in the 90's and now we're completely insensitized until something happens in our neighborhood.
 
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Not true at all. We have very strict gun control laws in some of our major cities; ones where the NRA have fought tooth & nail. I think, where we are in this country, is that WE the Majority think that States Rights should apply to gun control. If NYC or Philadelphia has tight control & that extends to the Northeast surrounding states, then I am not sure we care what Montana or Texas want to do ... claiming hunters rights or posse commetatus or some odd thing. I am with Bloomberg. We can't have this on streets. We have had too much of this at schools, churches, movie theaters. We have paid too high a price.
You a simply wrong. Read DC v Heller. WE made a decision that this is what we want. Or at least it is the price we are willing to pay so people can pretend they are Cowboys.
 
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This just sucks. What is wrong with this country and it is not just about guns?

A vast majority of citizens in Switzerland own guns as part of their mandatory militia service (thus nearly all have weapons training and screening) and yet they had 18 murders (out of 41 total) by firearms in 2014 out of 8.08 million or a rate of
0.0002% or 0.002 per 1,000. The US has a population of 318.9 million and in 2014 there were roughly 9,000 murders by firearms, which is a rate of 0.0028% or 0.028 per 1,000. That is a massive difference. Why? How?
 
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This just sucks. What is wrong with this country and it is not just about guns?

A vast majority of citizens in Switzerland own guns as part of their mandatory militia service (thus nearly all have weapons training and screening) and yet they had 18 murders (out of 41 total) by firearms in 2014 out of 8.08 million or a rate of
0.0002% or 0.002 per 1,000. The US has a population of 318.9 million and in 2014 there were roughly 9,000 murders by firearms, which is a rate of 0.0028% or 0.028 per 1,000. That is a massive difference. Why? How?
Its not about guns (and I'm no gun lover and choose not to have one). It doesn't take a genius to see that this an accelerating phenomena arising in a deteriorating culture There is a toxic mix of social and cultural changes from immersing our kids in violent gaming, social networks, subjective morality, deteriorating family structures, lack of employment, and a grievance culture.
 

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Sorry for the aborted earlier post. What I had begun to write, and then decided to think over a second time before re-posting in full, is likely somewhat inflammatory and not exactly appropriate on a football forum. So, this will be my one and only post on this topic here.

I guess I feel pretty strongly about this issue; the mass shootings we've all seen across our country in the last few years. For me it's ultimately about love of country and all our law abiding citizens. Because of that I'm willing to take the slings and arrows that will surely follow posting the following. I just hope my fellow BYers will fairly and rationally consider an alternative viewpoint, one I've tried to support with relevant facts.

In this particular case and others unfortunately like it over the past few years, the action of a deranged killer points to something more insidious and malevolent than "just" uncontrolled violence with guns. Yes, mental health and criminality are to probably blame in some. But the ones I'm referring to point to deadly ideologies. In Charleston it was white supremacy. In today's case, as was the case with the shooting at Ft. Hood, the attack in Times Square, etc, it appears to be the ideology of radical Islam. I am not a hater of Islam nor any other religion, but let's not deceive ourselves for the sake of political correctness either. That's a potentially deadly mistake.

But back to today's horrible tragedy. According to a statement made by a middle aged woman in the classroom in which the shooting in Oregon occurred today, the shooter lined people up and asked if they were Christian. If they answered yes they were shot in the head. If they said no, or didn't answer, they were shot in the legs.

I'm all for doing everything possible to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them--Big time, end of discussion. However, I doubt tougher gun laws would have prevented this crazy person and terrible crime, or others we've experienced recently. On the contrary, I believe that guns, in the hands of responsible, law abiding, trained citizens, are actually a good thing, an actual deterrent to crime. And I say that supported by facts as listed below.

But back to the shooting today, and I posit this only as an alternative viewpoint that I think we need to honestly consider, isn't it possible that the deranged killer today was smart enough to know that this Community College was designated a gun free zone and chose to go ahead with his rampage there as a result? Who knows for sure right now, I certainly don't, but you have to consider it possible.

If so, one can only wonder if he would have chosen this location if he knew there likely were people (responsible, law abiding, properly trained citizens) with concealed weapons on campus, and possibly even in that classroom? Most of the bullies and crazies I've known in my life were actually cowards and losers, when push came to shove.

I know what I've written is probably offensive to some here but, for the sake of having an informed, intelligent and balanced discussion on this issue, I think it's important to consider there may be valid, contrary viewpoints to consider on this issue of "gun violence"; especially one that is based on facts as follows.

Fact: Forty three states, comprising the majority of the American population, are “right-to-carry” states. Statistics show that in these states the crime rate fell (or did not rise) after the right-to-carry law became active (as of July, 2006).

Fact: Gun homicides were 10% higher in states with restrictive CCW (Concealed Carry Weapon) laws, according to a study spanning 1980-2009.

Fact: States that disallow concealed carry have violent crime rates 11% higher than national averages.

Fact: Deaths and injuries from mass public shootings fall dramatically after right-to-carry concealed handgun laws are enacted. Between 1977 and 1995, the average death rate from mass shootings plummeted by up to 91% after such laws went into effect, and injuries dropped by over 80%.

Fact: Multiple victim public shootings drop in states that pass shall-issue CCW legislation.

Fact: CCW holders have prevented or curtailed mass public shootings – Pearl, Mississippi (Pearl Junior High School), Edinboro, Pennsylvania (Parker Middle School), Winnemucca, Nevada (Players Bar and Grill), Colorado Springs, Colorado (New Life Church).

Fact: Of all the alternatives to preventing mass public shootings, police officers believe that civilian concealed carry is the most effective. 86% also believe mass shooting “casualties would likely have been reduced” or “avoided altogether.

In the end, though, having spent the time to research and post all of the above means nothing to the victims and their families. Now is a time for mourning and prayer for all of those affected, and for our country. May God bless those students, teachers, their families, and all of us, in this time of great challenge for our country.
 
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This just sucks. What is wrong with this country and it is not just about guns?

A vast majority of citizens in Switzerland own guns as part of their mandatory militia service (thus nearly all have weapons training and screening) and yet they had 18 murders (out of 41 total) by firearms in 2014 out of 8.08 million or a rate of
0.0002% or 0.002 per 1,000. The US has a population of 318.9 million and in 2014 there were roughly 9,000 murders by firearms, which is a rate of 0.0028% or 0.028 per 1,000. That is a massive difference. Why? How?


You answered part of the question yourself. Switzerland's is somewhat of an outlier but their people are trained, the guns are regulated and tracked. They are wealthy, healthy, and employed. Yet they want change even with their low homicide numbers. We have less than 5% of the world's population and close to 50% of it's guns. While there are other factors our rate of gun violence reflects this fact. We have a lot of issues to address, but leaving gun access out of the equation is just accepting these tragedies.

I would love to see this thread go away but the next shooting is coming. And the next and the next. I had a family member die on 911. My next door neighbor lost a family member in Newtown. They're equally tragic and we should put the same effort into preventing both except we're not.
 

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Not true at all. We have very strict gun control laws in some of our major cities; ones where the NRA have fought tooth & nail. I think, where we are in this country, is that WE the Majority think that States Rights should apply to gun control. If NYC or Philadelphia has tight control & that extends to the Northeast surrounding states, then I am not sure we care what Montana or Texas want to do ... claiming hunters rights or posse commetatus or some odd thing. I am with Bloomberg. We can't have this on streets. We have had too much of this at schools, churches, movie theaters. We have paid too high a price.


Good news is that the states can amend the Constitution too. Just need enough of them. Until then the federal constitution trumps state law. Same reason why the clerk in Kentucky doesn't have a legal leg to stand on regarding her beliefs.
 
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You answered part of the question yourself. Switzerland's is somewhat of an outlier but their people are trained, the guns are regulated and tracked. They are wealthy, healthy, and employed. Yet they want change even with their low homicide numbers. We have less than 5% of the world's population and close to 50% of it's guns. While there are other factors our rate of gun violence reflects this fact. We have a lot of issues to address, but leaving gun access out of the equation is just accepting these tragedies.

I would love to see this thread go away but the next shooting is coming. And the next and the next. I had a family member die on 911. My next door neighbor lost a family member in Newtown. They're equally tragic and we should put the same effort into preventing both except we're not.
I don't find your post the least bit offensive but I do find your facts deceptive and question the validity of them. As for mental health it's a huge problem and it's insane that mentally ill people can get their hands on guns much easier than quality mental care. I also wouldn't jump the gun on this guy being some sort of jihadist, from what I've read the kid belonged to some group online that was about how he was against organized religion, he also belonged to a group that loved the Irish Republican Army and he also listed himself as a Conservative Republican. People will try to label him to whatever fits their agenda, one thing I can guarantee is that he was a total loner who felt inadequate and wanted society to pay for the way he felt about his inadequacies.
 
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It isn't video games or violence on television. 80's were ultra violent - do you not remember them?

Those "Facts" are laughable and insulting to any logical person.

3 minutes to disprove the CCW perspective
 

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It isn't video games or violence on television. 80's were ultra violent - do you not remember them?

Those "Facts" are laughable and insulting to any logical person.
It's pretty easy to compare content of movies, video games etc and see the stark difference between then and now. Can you elaborate on ultra violent?
 
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