American Sniper

[meyers7]

Saddam was no threat to the U.S., even during the Clinton years. His taunting the U.S., and ignoring the UN resolution should have been met with bombing Saddams palaces, and whatever else was important to him.

Thousands of US lives and a trillion dollars was too high a price to pay.

Well you're wrong. Sometimes the price is high for doing the right thing. Unfortunately. Tough decisions are not easy to make, but need to be made.

 

[Palatine]

Clinton thought he had WMD, but didn't invade. I don't solely blame Bush for the Iraq war. I blame the democrats in Congress even more. Many were against the first gulf war, but saw how well it turned out. They didn't want to miss out this time. Had the democrats had any integrity, I don't think the second war in Iraq would have happened.

Yes, but Clinton's presidency took place in a pre-9/11 world. The terrorism threat seemed distance. The concept of terrorists with WMDs had changed greatly by the Bush presidency. Saddam was consorting with known terrorists. He had the means and motive to hurt the USA . And he was daily violating the treaty he signed.

Again, it's easy to make these statement in 2015. To look back and say to was a mistake. Bush acted with your safety in mind. There was not another act of terrorism on the USA for the remainder of his presidency.

 

[Husky25]

Without getting too much into the politics, all I want to know is the action content of this film? Is it movie theatre worthy or would it be just as enjoyable on a 47 inch LCD screen and surround sound?

 

[temery]

Yes, but Clinton's presidency took place in a pre-9/11 world. The terrorism threat seemed distance. The concept of terrorists with WMDs had changed greatly by the Bush presidency. Saddam was consorting with known terrorists. He had the means and motive to hurt the USA . And he was daily violating the treaty he signed.

Again, it's easy to make these statement in 2015. To look back and say to was a mistake. Bush acted with your safety in mind. There was not another act of terrorism on the USA for the remainder of his presidency.

That's some funny wingnut propaganda you've got there.

 

[SAMCRO]

Without getting too much into the politics, all I want to know is the action content of this film? Is it movie theatre worthy or would it be just as enjoyable on a 47 inch LCD screen and surround sound?

We watched it on our 55" tv, (a friend gets those SAG voting DVD's) and it was great. I can't compare it to big screen, but I don't feel like it was less of an experience on our TV w/ good surround sound.

 

[Deadrody]

So it sure sounds like the movie ties 9/11 to the Iraq war.

Excuse me ? Kyle wanted to join before and after 9/11. That's just a fact. There was not a damn thing that tied 9/11 to Iraq. Other than 1 thing preceded the other.

 

[Deadrody]

That's some funny wingnut propaganda you've got there.

Propaganda... I do not think that word means what you think it does.

 

[temery]

There was not a damn thing that tied 9/11 to Iraq. Other than 1 thing preceded the other.

Exactly

 

[meyers7]

Without getting too much into the politics, all I want to know is the action content of this film? Is it movie theatre worthy or would it be just as enjoyable on a 47 inch LCD screen and surround sound?

I think most actions films are better on theatre screens. But if you're just as happy with watching it on TV and don't want to spend the $$ (which is usually ridiculous), that's fine.

 

[Waquoit]

Excuse me ? Kyle wanted to join before and after 9/11. That's just a fact. There was not a damn thing that tied 9/11 to Iraq. Other than 1 thing preceded the other.

If you are trying to say that Eastwood did not make an artistic choice to link 9/11 to the Iraq war in his film, I'm sorry I'm not buying it.

 

[Palatine]

That's some funny wingnut propaganda you've got there.

Read it again. Tell me what's not true.

Yes, but Clinton's presidency took place in a pre-9/11 world. (true or false)
The terrorism threat seemed distance. (true or false)
The concept of terrorists with WMDs had changed greatly by the Bush presidency. (true or false)
Saddam was consorting with known terrorists.(true or false)
He had the means and motive to hurt the USA . (true or false)
And he was daily violating the treaty he signed. (true or false)

Again, it's easy to make these statement in 2015. To look back and say to was a mistake. Bush acted with your safety in mind. There was not another act of terrorism on the USA for the remainder of his presidency.

 

[superjohn]

Read it again. Tell me what's not true.

Yes, but Clinton's presidency took place in a pre-9/11 world. (true or false)
The terrorism threat seemed distance. (true or false)
The concept of terrorists with WMDs had changed greatly by the Bush presidency. (true or false)
Saddam was consorting with known terrorists.(true or false)
He had the means and motive to hurt the USA . (true or false)
And he was daily violating the treaty he signed. (true or false)

Again, it's easy to make these statement in 2015. To look back and say to was a mistake. Bush acted with your safety in mind. There was not another act of terrorism on the USA for the remainder of his presidency.

There was not another act of terrorism on the USA for the remainder of his presidency. By far the biggest terrorism attack in our history happened under his watch, not sure he should get brownie points for another one not happening and the Iraq war had nothing to do with us not being hit again.

 

[Palatine]

There was not another act of terrorism on the USA for the remainder of his presidency. By far the biggest terrorism attack in our history happened under his watch, not sure he should get brownie points for another one not happening and the Iraq war had nothing to do with us not being hit again.

You blame 9-11 on Bush!!!! Wow. He was in office 8 months when it happened

9-11 was completely funded and planned and rehearsed when Clinton was President. It was executed when Bush was president.

And it was Clinton who raised the wall between the CIA and FBI and made the dots almost impossible to connect.

Good grief.

 

[superjohn]

You blame 9-11 on Bush!!!! Wow. He was in office 8 months when it happened

9-11 was completely funded and planned and rehearsed when Clinton was President. It was executed when Bush was president.

And it was Clinton who raised the wall between the CIA and FBI and made the dots almost impossible to connect.

Good grief.

You touted us not being hit again after 9-11 like it was some sort of victory that was attained because of the war in Iraq. I just pointed out that this was silly and that 9-11 happened under his watch. How about after 9-11, 7+ years of not taking out Bin Laden. Does Obama get any credit for Bin Laden or did Bush set that all up for Obama?

 

[temery]

Read it again. Tell me what's not true.

Yes, but Clinton's presidency took place in a pre-9/11 world. (true or false) True
The terrorism threat seemed distance. (true or false) False
The concept of terrorists with WMDs had changed greatly by the Bush presidency. (true or false) False
Saddam was consorting with known terrorists.(true or false) don't know, don't care.
He had the means and motive to hurt the USA . (true or false). So does over a dozen countries, including North Korea.
And he was daily violating the treaty he signed. (true or false). True.

Again, it's easy to make these statement in 2015. To look back and say to was a mistake. Bush acted with your safety in mind. There was not another act of terrorism on the USA for the remainder of his presidency.

Just a year or so ago the right blamed 9/11 on Clinton having ignored terrorist threats. Now it was a future problem. Wow.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

http://news.yahoo.com/Obama-cooper-push-media-help-better-vet-portrayal-203605352.html

Well, American Sniper just got the kiss of death for Republicans.

 

[Pudge]

Let's get to a different level ... As Kyle is praised as a hero.

His Wikipedia page states that he shot 30 "looters" near the Super Dome during Katrina.

What? We aren't hearing anything about this. That's 30 Michael Browns by a better shot.

 

[meyers7]

Let's get to a different level ... As Kyle is praised as a hero.

His Wikipedia page states that he shot 30 "looters" near the Super Dome during Katrina.

What? We aren't hearing anything about this. That's 30 Michael Browns by a better shot.

There are a few stories of his that are rather doubtful. Personally, I think it has to do with his post traumatic stress, his drinking and his inability to resocialize back into his life. I kinda get the feeling he felt he needed to live up to or keep his legend alive. Even if it meant he exaggerated/lied.

 

[Pudge]

There are a few stories of his that are rather doubtful. Personally, I think it has to do with his post traumatic stress, his drinking and his inability to resocialize back into his life. I kinda get the feeling he felt he needed to live up to or keep his legend alive. Even if it meant he exaggerated/lied.

That does make sense.

But in this post - Ferguson period, I'm certain many are eyeballing his Wikipedia page. That's an incredible piece of fiction or non-fiction.

 

[meyers7]

That does make sense.

But in this post - Ferguson period, I'm certain many are eyeballing his Wikipedia page. That's an incredible piece of fiction or non-fiction.

Actually having went back and read the Wiki article, it doesn't really say Kyle killed 30. In his words (which a reporter was relaying), he said there was a group of military that killed 30 looters. Not really even specific if he was including himself, though that can probably be assumed. Then another reported followed that up by interviewing 3 drunk guys, one of which said it was Kyle who killed 30 himself.

Again, probably more to do with drinking and creating/continuing the Legend. Either by Kyle or others.

Pretty doubtful it actually happened. Although stranger things have happened. I'm pretty sure the government does thing we don't know or want to know about.